The old South African Flag

TNaicker wrote: Forgive my ignorance...did the child in the H&M picture appear without the consent and knowledge of the parent/s, who were likely paid for the advertisement ? I have not seen any comment / action from them but there is a fair amount of outrage from persons that have taken offence at the perception of racism...

I'm confused...seems like protesters in search of a cause / struggle...

TNaicker wrote: @Lionel...if the abused/exploited/wronged person/s do not see it as such, what gives anyone else the right to be outraged on their behalf ?

If a wrong is done to you, only you have the right to respond...not have others use it as a cause for their protest...

Maybe I see the world different from how you do...and that should be our respective and respected choices...

TNaicker wrote: @Lionel...if the abused/exploited/wronged person/s do not see it as such, what gives anyone else the right to be outraged on their behalf ?

If a wrong is done to you, only you have the right to respond...not have others use it as a cause for their protest...

Maybe I see the world different from how you do...and that should be our respective and respected choices...

Lionel wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Lionel...if the abused/exploited/wronged person/s do not see it as such, what gives anyone else the right to be outraged on their behalf ?

If a wrong is done to you, only you have the right to respond...not have others use it as a cause for their protest...

Maybe I see the world different from how you do...and that should be our respective and respected choices...

Everything, if their choices has consequences on others. Unfortunately, we don't live in a bubble TN, and our actions and choices has impact on those around us.

So, is it fair to assume you would do absolutely nothing if you see an injustice being carried out?

TNaicker wrote:

Lionel wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Lionel...if the abused/exploited/wronged person/s do not see it as such, what gives anyone else the right to be outraged on their behalf ?

If a wrong is done to you, only you have the right to respond...not have others use it as a cause for their protest...

Maybe I see the world different from how you do...and that should be our respective and respected choices...

Everything, if their choices has consequences on others. Unfortunately, we don't live in a bubble TN, and our actions and choices has impact on those around us.

So, is it fair to assume you would do absolutely nothing if you see an injustice being carried out?

If the parent/s of the child have not spoken up or taken any action, it is not for me to be outraged on their behalf - if you want to, that is your choice and no reflection on me...

TNaicker wrote: @Lionel - I am of the opinion that we do even see our own prejudices - a man can see a speck of dust on another man's forehead but cannot see a pack of fleas at the tip of his nose...

I am yet to see, in this case, how the perceived abuse / exploitation / wrong on the child and parent has consequences for anyone but themselves to result in a multitude of people expressing outrage on their behalf...

Somehow we seem to be absolving the parent/s of their role in this - they must have been at the photo shoot (given the age of the child - if they weren't, that brings forward other questions) and seen what the child wore and accepted payment for the child to appear in the photo shoot - I have yet to see anything whereby they voiced their outrage...

Lionel wrote:

TNaicker wrote:

Lionel wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Lionel...if the abused/exploited/wronged person/s do not see it as such, what gives anyone else the right to be outraged on their behalf ?

If a wrong is done to you, only you have the right to respond...not have others use it as a cause for their protest...

Maybe I see the world different from how you do...and that should be our respective and respected choices...

Everything, if their choices has consequences on others. Unfortunately, we don't live in a bubble TN, and our actions and choices has impact on those around us.

So, is it fair to assume you would do absolutely nothing if you see an injustice being carried out?

If the parent/s of the child have not spoken up or taken any action, it is not for me to be outraged on their behalf - if you want to, that is your choice and no reflection on me...

You don't get it....it's not about them or the child...it's what it symbolizes to everyone. Anyway, some people enjoy the "hear no evil, see no evil kind of life" I suppose.

BTW, as per my previous posts, I don't support the trashing of the stores either.

TNaicker wrote:

Lionel wrote:

TNaicker wrote:

Lionel wrote:

TNaicker wrote: @Lionel...if the abused/exploited/wronged person/s do not see it as such, what gives anyone else the right to be outraged on their behalf ?

If a wrong is done to you, only you have the right to respond...not have others use it as a cause for their protest...

Maybe I see the world different from how you do...and that should be our respective and respected choices...

Everything, if their choices has consequences on others. Unfortunately, we don't live in a bubble TN, and our actions and choices has impact on those around us.

So, is it fair to assume you would do absolutely nothing if you see an injustice being carried out?

If the parent/s of the child have not spoken up or taken any action, it is not for me to be outraged on their behalf - if you want to, that is your choice and no reflection on me...

You don't get it....it's not about them or the child...it's what it symbolizes to everyone. Anyway, some people enjoy the "hear no evil, see no evil kind of life" I suppose.

BTW, as per my previous posts, I don't support the trashing of the stores either.

Maybe I don't get what you want to see in any and every instance as it gives a reason for venting - I hear and see the evil all around us every day but being outraged at every instance is going to age us all quicker than we want or need to - and with a young daughter, i want to be around for as long as I can for her...

And, out of curiosity, where has the outrage gotten those that are outraged ? An advert removed, an apology, less future use of any black kid in an advert for fear of offending sensibilities, a trashed store...Will it result in those that have ingrained prejudices being transformed away from the racist utterances and actions ? I personally don't think it will and yet we all lose something of ourselves when we react in the way in which many have...