Why does Shezi get free advertising ?

there is plenty i would like to say on this cutting of limits and closing of peoples acounts compared to having no limit on sickos who hardly win...i wont because of court action but lets just say some bookies are fcuking termites

Friend of mine had his accounts Partially closed with Paddy Power and Ladbrokes..Paddy power allowed him to still bet the horses but was seen as un economical for them to take sports bets of him..Ladbrokes just closed him down!

I punt on most sites.
I think if I had to rate them I would say :

fsconline.co.za and lmbookmaker.com are the best as far as laying proper bets and never complaining. Absolute gentlemen.

World of Sport and Hollywood are a good combination of price and they lay fair bets - but only over the telephone. Online limits too low.

Mbets and Sportingbet have great prices, but can't get a decent bet. Mbets at least email and phone when they cut your limit. I walked away feeling like I still liked them. Sportingbet on the other hand left a bad taste in my mouth.

Bettingworld a good allrounder - but not decent strikes. Their own ante-post betting is ok - except it tips off the bookmakers who do the official betting.

wsb.co.za not bad, but not great.

Victor Chandler - worst prices now (they used to be good) and crazy low limits.

Sportsbet.co.za great prices - but racing not a priority. Any winners referred to TVL call centre.

Haven't bet anywhere else, but keen to try the new places.



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It is quite simple what is needed. Betfair needs to be legalised. No limits, great odds, huge selection of sports and racing, great in running betting and unlimited punters. Pity it will never happen.

Iv'e not tried fsconline .

Punt with lmb , betxchange , hollywood , bettingworld and marshalls over the phone depending on which a/c has money in it .

Lmb and betxchange are the best over the phone . Quick and efficient , lmb for me comes out on top.

Marshalls staff are jacked when offering tote bets over the phone , but their limits are too low .

Hollywood has the best online site for open bets imo , very easy to place bets there and the 500k limits are fair ..

Lmb mite increase online limits if you ask them . The prices are usually only stretched at race time though .So usually no value antepost. .

Agree on Vc havn't used this a/c for ages

Agree with sportingbet prices they are good at antepost stage . Then they follow the market . The limits worry me though . And no open bets available . Shezi need to sort out this cutting of limits story . Lets see ?

The cutting of limits generally is a worrying trend. I intend to ask all new websites that post on the forum what their minimum limit will be.
I asked Kevin Pillay of morrisvee.co.za and after dodging the question, he said they hadn't decided policies (a further dodge if you ask me).
I fully intend to ask him the week that they open. Anyone looking to promote business here should be prepared to give assurances of minimum limits.

Ruffian,

Actually the cutting of limits is more than worrying, it's unfair business.

It stands to reason if a punter is allowed to lose allot, but constricted in how much he can win, it's just a matter of time.

Imagine red/black at the casino with a hundred rand limit. It is easily conceivable that after a while you could be down say 1000 playing between 10 and 100 a time. Now set about trying to win your 1000 back on a 100-limit table. Good luck with that.

The same applies to very low limits with a bookmaker. They 'force' you to play more and more races/events because you can't win enough on what you like relative to your loses.

While the gambling Board may think that limits protect gamblers, they should know the more restrictive the limit, the more unlikely the punter can ever get ahead.

Perhaps it's time to organize a general appeal and get as many people who are affected to send their misgivings about limits to email the gambling board at one time. Perhaps the penny will drop and bookmakers who are happy to win unlimited can be 'encouraged' to give the punter just the normal chance at having half a chance online. Possibly 10K of a horse can be considered fair business practice? I mean R250 is just....well....a farce! in a regulated industry.

It's unconscionable to ONLY trade with a punter while he loses, and cut him to bits at the first run of luck. It speaks volumes that the Gambling Board doesn't protect the punter here, not to mention the bookmaking association looking at themselves with an ounce of integrity.

Jack, my dad and 10 friends visit the same coffee shop everyday. Sometimes on a wet winters day they are the only patrons. The problem is that they are cheap skates. They arrive at 11am and leave at 1.30pm. All they purchase is one cup of coffee each. With the Cape now really busy as a tourist destination the owner of the shop told them this morning that he would like them to keep coming but he cannot afford to have 11 seats taken for 2 1/2 hours daily while the holidaymakers are in town. He told them if they order some food it would not be a problem.

I have told my dad many times that I think that hogging a table for so long is a disgrace as no business can survive on what they spend a day.

My point is this, business is business. Every shop from banks to restaurants have a 'right of admission' sign at the entrance. My dad is pissed and I told him he got what he deserved. The owner has the right to protect his business.

I find it bizarre that anyone who has ever had a few good nights in a casino is banned because he supposedly is a card counter and yet places like Grandwest never get mentioned in the same breath as bookmakers. Maybe we should contact Mr Hassan Adams to ask him what he and his board of directors would do if you won a million a month at his gambling venue, which is the single most destructive force to the working class people in the Cape, many of whom are in jail serving fraud sentences for stealing money to feed the addiction, while others have jumped off buildings or put guns to there head. Oh and Jack, Mr Adams does have a limit on his roulette wheel and its not that big either.

You mention gambling boards Jack, do you think they care ? They work 5 boring days a week and as long as the bookmaker hands over the correct amount of tax each week they are more than willing to leave it at that. They are not here to serve the people, they are here to serve those corrupt in government who receive the betting tax and sqaunder it. Have you ever heard of the ANC ?

You see Jack, gambling is a dirty industry from top to bottom. If you choose to play in this game remember that the people offering you betting facilities are only in it to make a profit, just like the furniture chains who have robbed the black masses for years with ridiculous credit costs.Who has helped these poor sods who are getting ripped off as we speak. I have a cleaning lady who earns R2800 per month and last week Beares gave her credit approval to purchase a"'mini kitchen" with a monthly payment of R650 per month ! You see Jack, unforunately its all about the money.

Just ask Mr Adams who has bankrupted the local coloured community with his casino, but when he has a winner he declares that he races horses for the people. I better go now, got to go put my head between the toilet seat.

Dear Harris

Like I try to teach my kids, 2 wrongs do not equal a right.

Unfortunately, when shops owned by international interests open here and in short order arrange their customers profile that if you lose regularly you can have R20,000 of a bet but if you say break even for a while or (God forbid) catch a few right...then they throw the law of averages out the window and hobble the punter to as low as R250.

Now if this bloke Ruffian is telling the truth, then Shezi's company and the mighty Victor are two of the worst examples in SA. Obviously they work for profit, but now they've added that the profit not only comes from the % built into the natural odds, but if they cut winners all they want is losers. How nice for them. Every business wants every customer to be their most profitable client, but every business has a range of customers from least to most profitable.

If they had a cash shop, what they are doing would be called discrimination. "Right of admission" does not give you the right to toss out a customer who is behaving in the normal manner of all other customers. Right of admission is to protect a proprietor from people who are affecting his OTHER customers.

If PnP run a special, they may LIMIT the number of R5.00 2L-Cokes to 2/person. But then that applies to ALL people. They must accept that some people will come in for the special and never come back again, which was not the intention of the special.

So...if Shezi says the limit you can win from us is R250, the least the gambling board should do, especially as the is a country that specializes in anti-discrimination, is tell Shezi have a limit by all means, but do not sift your clients. Your clients should know that while they are losing, if they win one day then at least they have a shot at getting some back without being booted out at the first sign of luck.

Wish Shezi would use some of that prolific marketing razz-ma-tazz to reassure all the new customers he picked up here on ABC, that he can guarantee them say 5K of a horse 20min before the off. What's that again, R100 on a 50/1 shot.... Would that be enough cotton wool around the testicles? Unless it won, omg!

Plus a "match" race for the Queens Plate Pocket Power vs Ebony Flyer (no limits) would be of huge interest imo

I asked a question relating to cutting of limits on another of the threads where Harris participated.It related to making a book based on hold vs liabilities rather than personalised limiting, but I never got an answer...Harris, how about explaining how lower limits(therefore less liquidity) helps.
Is the strategy to play each punter head to head and eliminate the winners?

I have had 1 bet with Sportingbet.I originally opened my account with Great Odds,but their odds were so poor that I withdrew these.When they rebranded to Sportingbet I decided not to have a bet with them as I presumed they would produce more of the same.About 6 weeks back I decided to have a look at their site again when I saw Shezi advertising that they had great prices,and true as Bob they had 9/10 M Lord's Throat when the 'speaker' price was 7/10.It was the best price around so I deposited 6K and put it on.The horse duly arrived and I thought nothing more of it.About 1 week later I wanted to have a few rand on a 40-1.When I tried to place my bet it was rejected with a limit of a stake of R75 ie:3k of this roughie.My limit had been cut to 3K after taking 1 bet with these monkeys.I just laughed.Anyway,about 3 days later I liked another roughie and decided to try again.It was a 14-1 and when I tried to submit my bet it came back rejected with a stake of R40 being my limit.R500 OF A HORSE.You have got to be kidding me.

We can go on and on about this,but I do have to agree with JD that there should be some sort of minimum limit imposed by the gambling boards.For my limit to be cut to R500 from whatever it originally was based on 1 bet is simply ludicrous.

In the limits section it says a punter may not win more than R3 750 000 in one day.I think you should clarify this misprint with the gambling board Shezi,it is obviously supposed to read R750.