The totes a joke ... yet again!!!

Look no further than In to Beep in Race 1 at Turffontein yesterday, Horse started at 20/1 and paid 11/10 a place, mainly because 2 Cents tipped it

I strongly suggest they hide the pool values. These pools are so small they can be easily manipulated.

How in heaven's name can my swinger 5 x 8 pay R2.20 if their respective place dividends was R2.80 and R3.70 in a 14 horse field. I can put my head on a block that bets were taken after the race closed as the provisional result was 4,5,2,8.

Singapore Race 8 17 July 2011

1ST 4 Strauss
2ND 5 Special Soldier
3RD 8 Beauregard
4TH 2 Jodie
Win 4. 11.80
Place 4. 4.10
5. 2.80
8. 3.70

SW 4-5 27.40
SW 4-8 21.70
SW 5-8 2.20

EX 4-5 314.80
TF 4-5-8 907.10
QT 4-5-8-2 4851.40
QT CO 4190.31
OFFICIAL

SCR: 7
TF: 1

No logic Bushmanland....:S

The Pools in the morning in Singapore and Macau are very small in the morning and can result in small payouts if a punter takes a bet numerous times and catches it.


2011/07/01 11:20:44 AM 208240 HORSE RACING KRANJI Race 3 1 2 4/ 1 2 4/ Boxed - 1888.90 600.00 - - Result

The bet above shows me catching a bet in Singapore but taking it in the bookies knowing the Payout will come down considerably if I took it in the Tote. If the pool was R20 000 in that particular race I will have scooped almost 10% of the pool.

Absolute rip off mate:S

Rip Off maybe but without knowing the nett pool, its hard to draw a conclusion. By going with the Quartet Pool which was R 4 851 - I presume the Swinger Pool was about R 6 000. So the swinger in question was taken about 900 times. Also one of the horses was ridden by S Cormack and if you check the Singapore Turf Club Site those horses were in the Top Four in the betting. Why is no one complaining about the Value of the place bets when those horses were the fancied runners. In the next race the winner returned R 9.70 but was paying a mere $20 on their Tote and second favourite in theirs but was alot of Value in ours. The Punter in the Tote thought he rather take the swinger and get more Value when their saw the Win/Place Return on Tellytrack directly from Singapore but it worked vice versa in this case.

Naresh, if the trifecta pool was close to R9,000 surely the swinger pool could not be R1,000 but in the region of R7,000. I know, because I bet on Singapore racing every Friday and Sunday as I find value there. I dont think anybody in his right mind will place a bet of R2,000 swingers in Kranji at 10h20 in the morning in order to clean up the pool.

I agree that the pools in Macau are small but Hong Kong and Kranji pools are much, much bigger. As a barometer look at the Jacpot pools.

Bushmanland Wrote:

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> Naresh, if the trifecta pool was close to R9,000
> surely the swinger pool could not be R1,000 but in
> the region of R7,000. I know, because I bet on
> Singapore racing every Friday and Sunday as I find
> value there. I dont think anybody in his right
> mind will place a bet of R2,000 swingers in Kranji
> at 10h20 in the morning in order to clean up the
> pool.
>
> I agree that the pools in Macau are small but Hong
> Kong and Kranji pools are much, much bigger. As a
> barometer look at the Jacpot pools.

I stated that the Pool was in the region of R 6 000 and the swinger was taken about 900 times. Without the correct Pools I cannot make a informed conclusion to the Payout. The Jackpot as always will be bigger cause punters want to catch it big and the offtime was later. Kranji Pools on Sunday morning are small, I've seen that for myself (Pools only increase significantly after 11.30am). Most Punters dont look at the Pool and just place a bet. I've shown you a swinger that was taken for R600 but with the bookies so some Punters can also place huge bets on the Tote. As I Stated those horses were the third and fourth favourite on their Tote, Sean Cormack was up, Punters seeing their dividends etc. Go have a look at the Singapore Turf Club Site and compare their win dividend in comparison to our swingers. All their fancy win runners, taken with swingers here have paid less throughout the day but the Places as paid quite a good dividend. Unfortunately my Hollywood account does not show transactions for June. I also try to get Value for Singapore, Macau, Hong Kong and were i can hit it big I play bets number of times and believe me I Invest, so could any other punter.

Heres a trifecta below

2011/07/01 11:19:00 AM 159293 HORSE RACING KRANJI Race 3 1 2 4/ 1 2 4/ 1 2 4/ Boxed - 1544.40 300.00 - - Result

That was taken 50 times boxed and caught. (Investment R300)

Heres a quartet below

2011/07/01 02:48:50 PM 303074 HORSE RACING KRANJI Race 10 2 3 5 7 9 11/ 2 3 5 7 9 11/ 2 3 5 7 9 11/ 2 3 5 7 9 11/ Boxed - 3685.60 360.00 - - Result

That Quartet was taken full Unit and caught. That fave just scraped in for third I should have got a huge Payout. (Investment R360)