Vaal Thursday

Frodo Wrote:

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> Does look a 'punter friendly' card imo - but we
> all know that's when the big dogs arrive; I'm also
> taking 2 PA' and 2 PS's, trying to cover both
> outcomes; other thoughts:
>
> R1: Where's that pin - best of luck oscar (tu)
> R2: I have La Volta running to at least a 89 last
> time - yes it was on turf, but very capable on the
> sand as well and has improved a lot imo - hard to
> beat. Kinematic Countess and Club Captain the only
> dangers, it's possible that the blinkers has
> improved KC, so my choice for 2nd.
> R3: Inn on the Square tries the blinkers, so she
> will either win by a street, or run unplaced. I
> agree with most on Flo Jo, who also now is running
> with blinkers - not sure that those are effective,
> but definitely better on the sand. Paris Wind and
> First Winter the unknowns, but either could easily
> pop up if IotS flops.
> R4: Nothing betweem Star Empress and Water Music
> (SE drawn on the inside and WM on the outside) on
> their runs behind Sheri Baby, and Favourite
> Daughter only half a length back having clipped
> heels and stumbled, so not much between all 3. I'm
> with englander on the roughie, Moulin D'Or - has
> shown good pace over further on the turf and
> Spectrums nomally love the sand. Happy Place also
> unknown but if she takes to the sand, could easily
> be good enough in a weak field
> R5: Solarium has found her niche and should prove
> hard to beat imo; I concur with most that Furious
> Dancer is good value at current odds having won 4
> races over this 1000, so 2nd choice for me. I
> think Romeo's Reward and Hang Fire are not well in
> here, while Right Beauty and Prime Mover should
> find this too short
> R6: I'm with most on Uncle Tommy, Killua Castle is
> definitely worth his rating, but his running style
> of coming from far back is not ideal on the sand
> imo - still needs inclusion though. The roughie to
> consider imo is Boy oh Boy - has been as high as a
> 100 (more thant 2 years ago though) and now runs
> off a 90 - fair draw and could make those
> trifectas and quartets pay. Can't find much else
> in the race - best of luck Elvis (but I think save
> your money for Tuesday night) (tu)
> R7. More competitive, but still only a handful
> with realistic chances imo; IF Roll Call can find
> the form that saw him finish 3rd to Frontino Gold
> in a plated race 3 runs back, he will waltz in
> here, but he does seem to have his problems; Deigo
> improving steadily and could now prefer this trip
> - definite chance from a good draw imo, lots of
> money for Gemmayze Street, so needs to be
> included. Does look too far for Funny Glory, but
> the blinkers come off and with Striker back in the
> irons, cant be totally ignored.
> R8: Lusikisiki looks the right one here - and not
> bad value at current odds imo. Dangers include
> Tawakul (if she takes to the sand), Waltzing Duel
> (has one 4 times over this trip - once also drawn
> very wide) and Arabian Storm (the 1.5 apprentice
> allowance could bring her closer to WD; Vivid a
> nice roughie to consider imo - much better than
> last run
>
> Enjoy (tu)

Cheers Frodo - Didnt get a chance ot get on, but looking at the results of today agaisnt your seelctions, it was another good day for you! Keep it up.

Seems most of the clanners, got alot right today. Would be the day i sit in meetings all day and dont even have 1 punt!

I've had a drink so excuse me a little but this is what really p1sses me off... I had a place multiple, to win a small amount but just done to hopefully keep things ticking over...
Race 2 KINEMATIC COUNTESS Fixed Place 0.22
Race 3 INN ON THE SQUARE Fixed Place 0.19
Race 5 FURIOUS DANCER Fixed Place 1.35
Race 6 UNCLE TOMMY Fixed Place 0.24
Race 7 ROLL CALL Fixed Place 0.86

The whole bet becomes entirely farking pointless when FD is scratched. I won peanuts on it and for me, in hindsight, it is definitely a bet not worth the outlay for the potential winnings if FD does not run, there is no value to it. If I had known FD would be scratched I would never have done the bet. I simply can't understand how the horse gets to the post and is then declared a NR. To me it is entirely unacceptable. Fortunately, I get my money back but to be honest, I don't care, I would rather have run and lost. It is just one example of 1000s where I do a bet and basically I can only break about level or lose. I would never have done the bet if I had known FD was going to be a NR. IMHO, its a farking joke. Let them run once they are at the post unless there is a chance of serious injury, I would rather watch and lose than win virtually nothing for my outlay.

Englander Wrote:

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> I've had a drink so excuse me a little but this is
> what really p1sses me off... I had a place
> multiple, to win a small amount but just done to
> hopefully keep things ticking over...
> Race 2 KINEMATIC COUNTESS Fixed Place 0.22
> Race 3 INN ON THE SQUARE Fixed Place 0.19
> Race 5 FURIOUS DANCER Fixed Place 1.35
> Race 6 UNCLE TOMMY Fixed
> Place 0.24
> Race 7 ROLL CALL Fixed
> Place 0.86
>
> The whole bet becomes entirely farking pointless
> when FD is scratched. I won peanuts on it and for
> me, in hindsight, it is definitely a bet not worth
> the outlay for the potential winnings if FD does
> not run, there is no value to it. If I had known
> FD would be scratched I would never have done the
> bet. I simply can't understand how the horse gets
> to the post and is then declared a NR. To me it is
> entirely unacceptable. Fortunately, I get my money
> back but to be honest, I don't care, I would
> rather have run and lost. It is just one example
> of 1000s where I do a bet and basically I can only
> break about level or lose. I would never have done
> the bet if I had known FD was going to be a NR.
> IMHO, its a farking joke. Let them run once they
> are at the post unless there is a chance of
> serious injury, I would rather watch and lose than
> win virtually nothing for my outlay.


You dtill got more than double your money mate even with FD unplaced so to me a winning bet is way better than just your money back or nothing... Treat this like shares... Your investment doubled in value in one day WOW!!

Any investor/broker would be going ape shit telling me how good a broker he is if that happened to him in one day...

WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY EVERY DAY!!

I had an ATC place on all my 1st choices and even with FD scratched I am smiling

Mindset mate... Hit them hard again tomorrow!!

@Loops and @Englander - Not sure how it worked the other day, but i had a atc win bet on 3 horses, 2 scratched and i still got paid my inital odds. Will try find the bet slip.

Richie77 Wrote:

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> @Loops and @Englander - Not sure how it worked the
> other day, but i had a atc win bet on 3 horses, 2
> scratched and i still got paid my inital odds.
> Will try find the bet slip.


Dont worry - utter garbage!Too much wine this evening. I was looking at a differnet line item to the 1 that paid. The one with the 2 scratched runners paid only the wins on the 3rd horse. Pffft!

Loopy (why do we always debate when I have had a drink ... I understand you and I hear you but you have to appreciate you play much bigger stakes than many of us. I am not interested in turning R10 into R20. No disrespect but for you it might turn R1000 into R2000, and therefore still be a decent bet and you are going to be happy. I don't have the money to play that kind out of outlay. I am simply trying to build a platform to cover potential losses on other bets. I usually bet to win x amount, once that becomes unreachable the bet is purely a recovery mission but relatively pointless. That is not the way I like to bet, that is all I am saying and these late scratchings can cause (me and I suspect) many a punter to be left in a position where they lose it all or win an amount of near total insignificance.

I got my money back on FF... With my form that's a winning bet...

gregbucks Wrote:

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> I got my money back on FF... With my form that's a
> winning bet...

lol Greg... in the nicest possible way it can be said,,, fark off <

I was being serious Englander, was my bet for today.... Loops can vouch for that...

Greg, you can't post a comment, after my p1ssed off post, with a face and expect me to take it 100% serious!!! I am glad though that you were happy with the refund (tu)

Englander Wrote:

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> Loopy (why do we always debate when I have had a
> drink ... I understand you and I hear you but
> you have to appreciate you play much bigger stakes
> than many of us. I am not interested in turning
> R10 into R20. No disrespect but for you it might
> turn R1000 into R2000, and therefore still be a
> decent bet and you are going to be happy. I don't
> have the money to play that kind out of outlay. I
> am simply trying to build a platform to cover
> potential losses on other bets. I usually bet to
> win x amount, once that becomes unreachable the
> bet is purely a recovery mission but relatively
> pointless. That is not the way I like to bet, that
> is all I am saying and these late scratchings can
> cause (me and I suspect) many a punter to be left
> in a position where they lose it all or win an
> amount of near total insignificance.

Is it because
1) You are always drinking or
2) we are always debating
mate??

Would love to have a few with you one day and talk about Ziets ... (

Seriously, again... what I would like to say to you is mindset change.... and think about this one with a Cognac... or a Klippies if you have not reached Cognac maturity yet.

Turn R10 into R20 today, R20 into R40 tomorrow, R40 into R80 on Saturday... you will be surprised that 1 MONTH of discipline will get you playing for WAY MORE than R1000 a race mate... DISCIPLINE DISCIPLINE DISCIPLINE.

R10, R20, R40, R80, R160, R320, R640, R1280, R2560, R5120, R10240, R20480, R40960, R81920, R163840 {puts away the calculater}

In 14 days you will be playing with R163840 in your bank... I will do a deal with you .. I know you are an ENGLANDER So you can afford a starting kitty of R100-00

I will PM you a bet/few every day on exactly what to play and lets see where you are in 14 days... then you send me a commission ... you do the bet BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE THE DISCIPLINE... and I am going to trust you that I get the commission (tu) <

Deal??

PS: if you have a twitter account find me on @LogicValue it's FREE < {Remembering that Signature that dissapeared}

gregbucks Wrote:

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> I was being serious Englander, was my bet for
> today.... Loops can vouch for that...

(tu) we where both waiting in anticipation (