Flamingo Park Monday 28th Jan

Observer1 Wrote:

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> Race 8
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> Both of Milliers horses got backed on the tote.
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> no. 11. Backed from R12 to R5.80....a 50 percent
> drop.
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> No. 12. Backed from R16 to R12....a 25 percent
> drop.
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> Any idea how much was taken on the tote to result
> in such huge drops. I do not know, but I would
> like to know. Another money market I would like to
> understand. Is this any different to insider
> trading???
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> And they run 1st and 2nd....exacta, swinger,
> trifecta and quartet n the bag, with tote
> favourite running 4th.
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> And here we have the ignorant bread and butter
> punter, having filled in his betting ticket, based
> on what he saw as the betting, and marking his
> ticket before the start of the race, and then
> having to stand in a queue, to ensure he gets his
> bet on before the race starts, only for it to dawn
> on him that the betting has moved......so
> unfortunate for these punters, that they are not
> able to wait until the last minute to place their
> bets.
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> This may sound airy fairy, but imagine a system,
> where bets are allowed to be placed
> electronically, with the bet been registered as
> been taken off from a registered individuals
> account, but not yet put into the gambling pool.
> One way to do away with bookies?
>
> At this stage we should have hopefully upgraded
> our starting stalls, twofold.
>
> When the starter (a person of integrity, off
> course, no pun intended), hits that button to
> start the race, 2 things happen,
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> 1) All betting transactions get transferred into
> betting pools, into the type of bet taken
>
> 2) All stalls open at the same time (amazing that
> with the available tech, we still cannot figure
> this out..makes you wonder)
>
>
> I am allowed to dream.... Progress will not be
> made by accepting mediocrity. Acceptance of
> mediocrity stiffles progress.


Both are trained by Rugg...Shadow in the wind was 5/1 3rd Fav in the betting so it is pretty obvious that it would shorten on the tote and the 2nd horse started 8/1 and was paying R12 for a win on the Tote at the off..even the "ignorant" bread and butter punter as you choose to refer to them as could see this was nothing out of the ordinary??? Im surprised that you as a self confessed Observer actually missed the point...

Titch it looks like more orchestrated fraud.

Both actually drifted.

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shrek Wrote:

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> Titch it looks like more orchestrated fraud.


Bugger, got the names , and the spelling all wrong


A touchy subject, perhaps

As Shakespeare, once said many centuries ago....the man doth protests too much.....

Observer1 Wrote:

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> shrek Wrote:
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> > Titch it looks like more orchestrated fraud.
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> Bugger, got the names , and the spelling all
> wrong
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> A touchy subject, perhaps
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> As Shakespeare, once said many centuries
> ago....the man doth protests too much.....

Do you know Smalltimepunter ? He too puts himself through hell backing rigged races - The lotto and Casino always welcome new blood - Again if you have proof then let's have it if not then YOU are the one that is creating myths about rigged races. You mention Miller .. do you have proof of irregular betting ? I have shortened a horse dramatically with a R1000 place bet WITHOUT a reason other than that I liked it's form. Talking from the pocket is a major reason why many Jockey's and Trainers avoid posting. I have been punting for almost 40 years and Racing is the cleanest it's ever been because of technology.

Observer you seem to be having a go at Sham racing which includes Steph Miller at every opportunity even getting the surnames of 2 completely different trainers MISPELT give me a break . . '

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> Observer1 Wrote:
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> > > Titch it looks like more orchestrated fraud.
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> > Bugger, got the names , and the spelling all
> > wrong
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> > A touchy subject, perhaps
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> > As Shakespeare, once said many centuries
> > ago....the man doth protests too much.....
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> Do you know Smalltimepunter ? He too puts himself
> through hell backing rigged races - The lotto and
> Casino always welcome new blood - Again if you
> have proof then let's have it if not then YOU are
> the one that is creating myths about rigged races.
> You mention Miller .. do you have proof of
> irregular betting ? I have shortened a horse
> dramatically with a R1000 place bet WITHOUT a
> reason other than that I liked it's form. Talking
> from the pocket is a major reason why many
> Jockey's and Trainers avoid posting. I have been
> punting for almost 40 years and Racing is the
> cleanest it's ever been because of technology


Mr H, I have worked with technology and data analysis for the last 30 years, and yes I agree technology has evolved leaps and bounds, and will continue to do so.

What I do have a problem with is that up to the point that the gates open, tote payouts reflect a certain amount, yet once the race is over, final payouts show a different amount. This has been blamed on comingling of pools, and is now accepted as been the reason, until proven differently.

Now, you mention technology been so advanced, and I agree with you totally, so allow me to explain my point.

1). Have you ever made a purchase on your credit card via the Internet, irrespective of which country in the world, that purchase is been made from. As soon as you complete your details and hit the submit button, less than a second later, an SMS is sent to your phone, confirming that transaction.
2). The same applies when you go into a bank/ATM, and make a withdrawal or deposit from or to you account.

The only time this will not happen, is if there is some technical problem, resulting in a delay in transmission. All other times, the transmission is immediate.

There are thousands of transactions processed per second, and from analysis of the database , one can pick the source of the transaction, where it took place, and time, right down to the second.

So, if you can be so kind to arrange to send me complete database of betting transactions for one race(from the first transaction to the final), I will analyse this data and show you some trends.

In hindsight, in my original post, I used names. This may not have been the wisest thing to do, and I retract.

However, I needed to use a real example to try and make my point.

I have technology available to me,and I watch betting trends right up to race off, and then I see changes in payouts, after the race....something amiss.

My post was about the bread and butter punter, who makes his selections on what he sees as betting trends, and structuring his bet accordingly, while allowing himself sufficient time to get his bet processed, only to find that those trends are misleading, because at the last minute, there is a flood of money for an unbacked horse or two, which runs in the money.

Also, I am not a bread and butter punter, unless you call speculating R1.5 to R2k, a race meeting, 5 days a week, small time punting.