ARE MOST OF US ALSO BLACKS?
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ARE MOST OF US ALSO BLACKS?
12 years 2 months ago
I am out to cause a storm! (Umlilo for real!)
What Stephanie writes below is true; many whites are Khoisan descendants and can claim to be black. Why should Previously Disadvantaged Individuals be Indians, Africans, Coloureds and even Chinese?
What about those descendatnts of the Khoisan whose blood is within many 'whites'?
I am contemplating an approach to the Cosntitutional Court to decalre all descendants of the Khoisan as black; which would then allow for 'whites' to be also enriched! Lol!
What do you say?
Viav Khoisans! Viva Klaas! Viva Stuurman! Viva Heinz!
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Stephanie Sutherland - April 1, 2013 at 03:25 Report commentComments Policy
@Umlilo - I would love to find out how far back my San Heritage goes, as the San are in my Ancestry register. We should be allowed to have the gene tests to prove the intermarriages that occurred between Boers and San, many of whom were San and Strandlopers, and how these marriages developed the people now known as the Boers.
I think this would make for some fantastic research and hope to get someone to go into it further, as this would build bridges between the San and the Boers as it is believed they share an ancestry through interracial marriages which was not an issue till the British came along and stuffed up the country.
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Umlilo-HanifManjoo - April 1, 2013 at 08:18 Report commentComments Policy
@Stephanie Sutherland:
Yes, the 'Griquas' (and other names like Baasters) are mostly the result of Dutch/ Koisan / Tswana relationships, which includes the Boers.
However, the Dutch deemed that the Griquas be rather 'commandos' to protect their livestock. There was a period of double-dealing by the British and their grazing lands 'expropriated / sold'.
Like our Khoisan ancestry, the whole episode is a sordid mess. However, that does not entitle those who are not to treat our history and ancestors with scant respect (whether we are Christians, white, etc or not).
At the end of the day, we Khoisan have a greater right to this country than many other pseudo-prophets of freedom who look at us as 'other blacks' and not part of the African dream!
My position is; as fellow human beings, let's respect one another. We are the creation of One God (whoever He may or may not be according to the numerous, cynical and often heartless, disrespectful atheists)!
As for research, very little has been done and most of it remains hypothetical as the pure San have been virtually extinguished from the face of the earth by both the white colonists and Zulus / Xhosas.
No better than Australia, the US and othersuch countries; we exist now as (some feel embarassed to admit) marginalised and despised ancestors with a tincture of San blood in our veins....which makes people like me to stand up!
BTW: Stuurmaan was not a common convict; he fought colonialism.....
What Stephanie writes below is true; many whites are Khoisan descendants and can claim to be black. Why should Previously Disadvantaged Individuals be Indians, Africans, Coloureds and even Chinese?
What about those descendatnts of the Khoisan whose blood is within many 'whites'?
I am contemplating an approach to the Cosntitutional Court to decalre all descendants of the Khoisan as black; which would then allow for 'whites' to be also enriched! Lol!
What do you say?
Viav Khoisans! Viva Klaas! Viva Stuurman! Viva Heinz!
From News24- Bringing back Khoisan chief Stuurman from Australia
Stephanie Sutherland - April 1, 2013 at 03:25 Report commentComments Policy
@Umlilo - I would love to find out how far back my San Heritage goes, as the San are in my Ancestry register. We should be allowed to have the gene tests to prove the intermarriages that occurred between Boers and San, many of whom were San and Strandlopers, and how these marriages developed the people now known as the Boers.
I think this would make for some fantastic research and hope to get someone to go into it further, as this would build bridges between the San and the Boers as it is believed they share an ancestry through interracial marriages which was not an issue till the British came along and stuffed up the country.
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Umlilo-HanifManjoo - April 1, 2013 at 08:18 Report commentComments Policy
@Stephanie Sutherland:
Yes, the 'Griquas' (and other names like Baasters) are mostly the result of Dutch/ Koisan / Tswana relationships, which includes the Boers.
However, the Dutch deemed that the Griquas be rather 'commandos' to protect their livestock. There was a period of double-dealing by the British and their grazing lands 'expropriated / sold'.
Like our Khoisan ancestry, the whole episode is a sordid mess. However, that does not entitle those who are not to treat our history and ancestors with scant respect (whether we are Christians, white, etc or not).
At the end of the day, we Khoisan have a greater right to this country than many other pseudo-prophets of freedom who look at us as 'other blacks' and not part of the African dream!
My position is; as fellow human beings, let's respect one another. We are the creation of One God (whoever He may or may not be according to the numerous, cynical and often heartless, disrespectful atheists)!
As for research, very little has been done and most of it remains hypothetical as the pure San have been virtually extinguished from the face of the earth by both the white colonists and Zulus / Xhosas.
No better than Australia, the US and othersuch countries; we exist now as (some feel embarassed to admit) marginalised and despised ancestors with a tincture of San blood in our veins....which makes people like me to stand up!
BTW: Stuurmaan was not a common convict; he fought colonialism.....
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12 years 2 months ago
I'm sure there was a book published about the subject, which was written by a Afrikaans author. I vaguely remember my grandfather having such a book in the early 70's which was then banned by the apartheid goverment.
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@Gregbucks:
I also recall that; something about 20% San blood amongst Afrikaners. Created a storm then!
I also recall that; something about 20% San blood amongst Afrikaners. Created a storm then!
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umlilo it will be the great day when posts like this are ignore be cause the colour of your skin should be of no more significant than the colour of your eyes as bob marley sing
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Flash Harry Wrote:
> good thing is not your skin then
why, my skin is light green but i think my Great granddad was dark green...lol...
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> good thing is not your skin then

why, my skin is light green but i think my Great granddad was dark green...lol...

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hibernia Wrote:
> Harry my eyes are Green (
Mine are blue in the week and normally bloodshot at the weekends.
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> Harry my eyes are Green (

Mine are blue in the week and normally bloodshot at the weekends.

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Until the philosophy which hold one race superior
And another
Inferior
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And abandoned -
Everywhere is war -
Me say war.
That until there no longer
First class and second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes -
Me say war.
That until the basic human rights
Are equally guaranteed to all,
Without regard to race -
Dis a war.
That until that day
The dream of lasting peace,
World citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion to be pursued,
But never attained -
Now everywhere is war - war.
And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes
That hold our brothers in Angola,
In Mozambique,
South Africa
Sub-human bondage
Have been toppled,
Utterly destroyed -
Well, everywhere is war -
Me say war.
War in the east,
War in the west,
War up north,
War down south -
War - war -
Rumours of war.
And until that day,
The African continent
Will not know peace,
We Africans will fight - we find it necessary -
And we know we shall win
As we are confident
In the victory
Of good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!
Good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!
Good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah! /fadeout/Close(X)
And another
Inferior
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And abandoned -
Everywhere is war -
Me say war.
That until there no longer
First class and second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes -
Me say war.
That until the basic human rights
Are equally guaranteed to all,
Without regard to race -
Dis a war.
That until that day
The dream of lasting peace,
World citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion to be pursued,
But never attained -
Now everywhere is war - war.
And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes
That hold our brothers in Angola,
In Mozambique,
South Africa
Sub-human bondage
Have been toppled,
Utterly destroyed -
Well, everywhere is war -
Me say war.
War in the east,
War in the west,
War up north,
War down south -
War - war -
Rumours of war.
And until that day,
The African continent
Will not know peace,
We Africans will fight - we find it necessary -
And we know we shall win
As we are confident
In the victory
Of good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!
Good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah!
Good over evil -
Good over evil, yeah! /fadeout/Close(X)
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Re: Re: ARE MOST OF US ALSO BLACKS?
12 years 2 months ago
davetheflower Wrote:
> hibernia Wrote:
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> > Harry my eyes are Green (
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> Mine are blue in the week and normally bloodshot
> at the weekends.
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Blue for Chelsea during the week and then you swop to red for Man United on the weekends...
< and then you call me a glory hunter....
> hibernia Wrote:
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> > Harry my eyes are Green (

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> Mine are blue in the week and normally bloodshot
> at the weekends.

Blue for Chelsea during the week and then you swop to red for Man United on the weekends...


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@FH:
'colour of your skin should be of no more significant than the colour of your eyes as bob marley sing'
No matter how 'liberal' and 'democratic' we all are professed to be, racism / discrimination still lurks like a cancer, which we continue downplaying, ignoring or consigning to the waste bin.
Unfortunately, both sides do not want to concede... they rather on this great ego, self-justification trip....'You a racist!'
They say we Khoisan at fault because we identify with the white man (Boer), speak his language, and go to his Church, vote DA, etc!
On the other hand, I come across so many African children who go to white controlled private schools, speak the white man's language with an accent, don't know/want to know their own languages/culture, Euro-centric in lifestyle, despise pap and vleis / mfino or moroka (spinach), have never been to Soweto or townships (live in elitist susburbs), etc.
Now, who is really black......?
However, I am digressing!
My point is: why can't white descendants of the San also be classified black?
'colour of your skin should be of no more significant than the colour of your eyes as bob marley sing'
No matter how 'liberal' and 'democratic' we all are professed to be, racism / discrimination still lurks like a cancer, which we continue downplaying, ignoring or consigning to the waste bin.
Unfortunately, both sides do not want to concede... they rather on this great ego, self-justification trip....'You a racist!'
They say we Khoisan at fault because we identify with the white man (Boer), speak his language, and go to his Church, vote DA, etc!
On the other hand, I come across so many African children who go to white controlled private schools, speak the white man's language with an accent, don't know/want to know their own languages/culture, Euro-centric in lifestyle, despise pap and vleis / mfino or moroka (spinach), have never been to Soweto or townships (live in elitist susburbs), etc.
Now, who is really black......?
However, I am digressing!
My point is: why can't white descendants of the San also be classified black?
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