Vaal Sand - Thursday 11th July

jakes Wrote:

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> E, more hoping than anything else, dont like
> fav.s, but i think Dragon vein will beat HH, and
> an outsider like chedwin park will beat panjo,
> like i say more hoping for a payday than a r10
> payout

lol, nothing wrong with a little hoping either - I have just been very impressed with Panjo but everything will have to go right or him from that draw and HH has to run a poor one some time...

Best of luck Elvis and Frodo and anyone else with runners (tu)

TonyB Wrote:

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> Hi Clanners,
>
> Can anybody tell me if the sportingpost's
> assessment of the significance of the draw at the
> vaal sand (posted below) is correct? I assume it
> is, but im questioning why around the 1400m bend
> for example the draw has little significance?
>
> "The run-in of 1000m is the longest in the
> country, and the Vaal also has South Africa’s
> only 1600m straight course.
> All races of up to a mile are run down the
> straight, which can be a real test both of a
> horse’s stamina and of a jockey’s judgement of
> pace.
> Generally, outside draws hold an advantage on the
> straight course, especially when the going is
> soft, but in the winter months the two extremes
> appear equally favourable and fields tend to split
> into two distinct groups on either side of the
> course.
> Draws are of little significance in races run
> around the turn.
> Despite the length of the run-in, horses racing
> handy or in front frequently do well at the Vaal."


I would say draws are important around the turn, especially the 1200 - but THH could give you all the stats (tu)

TonyB Wrote:

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> Hi Clanners,
>
> Can anybody tell me if the sportingpost's
> assessment of the significance of the draw at the
> vaal sand (posted below) is correct? I assume it
> is, but im questioning why around the 1400m bend
> for example the draw has little significance?
>
> "The run-in of 1000m is the longest in the
> country, and the Vaal also has South Africa’s
> only 1600m straight course.
> All races of up to a mile are run down the
> straight, which can be a real test both of a
> horse’s stamina and of a jockey’s judgement of
> pace.
> Generally, outside draws hold an advantage on the
> straight course, especially when the going is
> soft, but in the winter months the two extremes
> appear equally favourable and fields tend to split
> into two distinct groups on either side of the
> course.
> Draws are of little significance in races run
> around the turn.
> Despite the length of the run-in, horses racing
> handy or in front frequently do well at the Vaal."

I believe those comments are for the turf course Tony

Englander Wrote:

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> TonyB Wrote:
>

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>

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> > Hi Clanners,
> >
> > Can anybody tell me if the sportingpost's
> > assessment of the significance of the draw at
> the
> > vaal sand (posted below) is correct? I assume
> it
> > is, but im questioning why around the 1400m
> bend
> > for example the draw has little significance?
> >
> > "The run-in of 1000m is the longest in the
> > country, and the Vaal also has South Africa’s
> > only 1600m straight course.
> > All races of up to a mile are run down the
> > straight, which can be a real test both of a
> > horse’s stamina and of a jockey’s judgement
> of
> > pace.
> > Generally, outside draws hold an advantage on
> the
> > straight course, especially when the going is
> > soft, but in the winter months the two extremes
> > appear equally favourable and fields tend to
> split
> > into two distinct groups on either side of the
> > course.
> > Draws are of little significance in races run
> > around the turn.
> > Despite the length of the run-in, horses racing
> > handy or in front frequently do well at the
> Vaal."
>
> I believe those comments are for the turf course
> Tony


Nope on their website they've got 2 separate comments for turf and sand, and the one I posted was for the sand.

Winning Form & Magic Tips Best Bets - The Vaal Sand

For Vaal courses summary... Tabonline... news.tabonline.co.za/Racecourses/SouthAf...bid/103/Default.aspx

you may not think they are right either though! lol

TonyB Wrote:

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> Nope on their website they've got 2 separate
> comments for turf and sand, and the one I posted
> was for the sand.

Then I would say their info is rubbish lol, no way Vaal sand over a mile is on a straight course

Tony high draws for the straight and low for the rest

Ben-Hur Wrote:

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> Tony high draws for the straight and low for the
> rest

I would say more middle for the 1000 BH, just a personal opinion. Tony, in the piece you quoted there is a reference to "soft" going, has to be the turf courses for many reasons (tu). For info, on the turf it is often a watching brief but generally on the inner course low is best and on the outside course up to 1600 it used to be high but that is debateable of late.

Englander is correct. That info is for the Turf track. And for the record ABC is now blocked at work. . . Typing on my fone is a pain, so I will b around less.
All the best to those with runners . .

The Madji..ur work is catching up with all ur gambling during works hours><
Same thing happened2me, now I can't even freaking go on sport sites either.lol

Englander Wrote:

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> Ben-Hur Wrote:
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> > Tony high draws for the straight and low for
> the
> > rest
>
> I would say more middle for the 1000 BH, just a
> personal opinion. Tony, in the piece you quoted
> there is a reference to "soft" going, has to be
> the turf courses for many reasons (tu). For info,
> on the turf it is often a watching brief but
> generally on the inner course low is best and on
> the outside course up to 1600 it used to be high
> but that is debateable of late.


Fair enough, then sportingpost should update their website then as ive been using this info for years. shows why ive got such a shocking strikerate:)

www.sportingpost.co.za/tracks/

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