How many lenghts of improvement (if any) is blinkers worth ?

Frodo Wrote:

> I was going to say 'it depends' but I think you
> hit the nail on the head - some may improve 2
> lengths, some may improve 1/2 a length, some will
> not improve, some will go backwards - impossible
> to tell - one of the factors ( the main one being
> horses are not machines) that imo means no system
> can predict the outcome of a race with certainty -
> and that's why it always remains a challenge to
> interpret the various factors - one can use a
> system only up to a point - the final analysis
> needs a human 'touch'

While it is true that no system can predict the winner of every race, where I have found my systems useful is that it helps create a fairly accurate betting line, and that way I see the possible overlays more clearly. On the issue of whether blinkers improve a horse, it may be a more interesting question whether a blinker strike makes the public overbet the horse, or do they ignore it, or avoid it? Does it create, ignore or take value away from the horse in question. I also think you'll get very different stats on blinker strikes with different trainers and jockeys. For hard working punters there may be some nice hidden gems there.

gregbucks Wrote:

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> also depends who recommends the blinkers, if its
> just for the sake of ''hoping for improvement'' or
> has a jockey like Strydom got off a horse and said
> blinkers will help this horse etc...


Fully agree!Striker usually gets this spot on!I usually look for rides he keeps and that gets blinkers...than i normally have an idea of what he might have told the trainer...Cormack another

Loopy, i am struggling to see how you can incorporate this into your system.

And blinkets are not just as simple as that some horses improve with quater cups otheRs with half cups and some with full cups thhe variables are to numerous to just put a number of lenghts to it but punters must always cosider it strongly when a horse gets fitted with blinkers as a horse would have been tested at the gallops with them

heinrich Wrote:

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> Loops...I agree with most guys here..differ from
> horse to horse...but ive learned some trainers
> have mastered that art!When they put blinkers
> on...80% of the time their horses improve
> loads...so maybe focus on what trainers are good
> with it...rather than what horses...


Very good point Heinrich ( and others mentioning similar) I will look at stats from that angle thx (tu)

quantifying it is the tricky part but also consider the reverse as well: taking off blinkers

Loopy Logic Wrote:

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> heinrich Wrote:
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> > Loops...I agree with most guys here..differ
> from
> > horse to horse...but ive learned some trainers
> > have mastered that art!When they put blinkers
> > on...80% of the time their horses improve
> > loads...so maybe focus on what trainers are
> good
> > with it...rather than what horses...
>
>
> Very good point Heinrich ( and others mentioning
> similar) I will look at stats from that angle thx
> (tu)


The problem for me is that if they improve with the blinkers, then the blinkers will obviously stay on. Everyone will see what the horse has worn blinkers and improved and include in their selections. This for me isnt something you will need to take into account in your "system" Loops.

Heinrich, your point might prove to be the most valid

Sorry PeeKay,

Let me clarify...I am only looking st 1st blinkers or when the have been removed for a few (3plus runs) and het put back on again

Loopy Logic Wrote:

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> Sorry PeeKay,
>
> Let me clarify...I am only looking st 1st blinkers
> or when the have been removed for a few (3plus
> runs) and het put back on again


With you now Loops (tu)

What about when they are fitted on horses that the trainers know they don't act in them

You reckon this happens ? ()

hibernia Wrote:

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> What about when they are fitted on horses that the
> trainers know they don't act in them
>
> You reckon this happens ? ()


Theres 4 cases i have had this year where that happened when by judging from the way the horse races...they didnt need the blinkers....was fav in those starts...ran nowhere...won their nxt starts!The next starts the prices was better and 2 of the 4 was even at 6/1.So sometimes 'strange' things does happen.coz they odd to know better than me...shouldnt they?

hibernia Wrote:

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> What about when they are fitted on horses that the
> trainers know they don't act in them
>
> You reckon this happens ? ()


not only with blinkers - I've seen trainers put a sprinter that does not want to win over ground for a few starts - When they drop it back to a sprint it remembers what to do and runs an improved race - Robbie Maroun was a master of this - I often wonder why the younger trainers don't try this anymore