Fairview 1st November

ALLOCATION OF SEPARATE TURF AND AWT RATINGS
The Handicappers may allot separate ratings to a particular horse for Turf and All-Weather races when they believe that the difference in performances is being caused by the surface.

When reassessing a horse that has two ratings, the Handicapper has to take a number of factors into consideration when deciding whether to alter just one or both of the horse’s ratings. These include:

Is the horse an improving sort who is likely to carry over any improvement onto the other surface? If this is the case then the alternative rating is likely to be raised in line with the rating for the surface that has been raced on.

Is the horse returning to a level of form that it has previously achieved earlier in its career? If it is, then it may well also return to previous levels it has achieved on the other surface.

Is the horse significantly better on one of the surfaces? As shown in the table below, some horses have a 20lbs+ difference in their two ratings. If this is the case then the change to the alternative rating is more likely to be minimal.

Is the horse an exposed, regressive type who is likely to be going ‘backwards’ whatever the surface? In this case any drop in rating is often replicated on the other surface.

Do recent performances on both surfaces suggest that there is now little to choose between them? If so then the All-Weather rating would commonly be deleted.

A horse who does well on the All-Weather during its 2yo/3yo winter will normally return to the grass with a single rating that is much higher than its performances on the Turf the previous summer. If the horse fails to run up to its rating when returned to the Turf, a new All-Weather rating would usually be created to reflect the better performances on the All-Weather and the Turf rating dropped to reflect the lower levels of performance on grass

hibernia Wrote:

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> ALLOCATION OF SEPARATE TURF AND AWT RATINGS
> The Handicappers may allot separate ratings to a
> particular horse for Turf and All-Weather races
> when they believe that the difference in
> performances is being caused by the surface.
>
> When reassessing a horse that has two ratings, the
> Handicapper has to take a number of factors into
> consideration when deciding whether to alter just
> one or both of the horse’s ratings. These
> include:
>
> Is the horse an improving sort who is likely to
> carry over any improvement onto the other surface?
> If this is the case then the alternative rating
> is likely to be raised in line with the rating for
> the surface that has been raced on.
>
> Is the horse returning to a level of form that it
> has previously achieved earlier in its career? If
> it is, then it may well also return to previous
> levels it has achieved on the other surface.
>
> Is the horse significantly better on one of the
> surfaces? As shown in the table below, some
> horses have a 20lbs+ difference in their two
> ratings. If this is the case then the change to
> the alternative rating is more likely to be
> minimal.
>
> Is the horse an exposed, regressive type who is
> likely to be going ‘backwards’ whatever the
> surface? In this case any drop in rating is often
> replicated on the other surface.
>
> Do recent performances on both surfaces suggest
> that there is now little to choose between them?
> If so then the All-Weather rating would commonly
> be deleted.
>
> A horse who does well on the All-Weather during
> its 2yo/3yo winter will normally return to the
> grass with a single rating that is much higher
> than its performances on the Turf the previous
> summer. If the horse fails to run up to its
> rating when returned to the Turf, a new
> All-Weather rating would usually be created to
> reflect the better performances on the All-Weather
> and the Turf rating dropped to reflect the lower
> levels of performance on grass

To summarize; If a horse has the same ability on turf as on the all weather ,it will have the same rating,if not,it will have a different rating!
Who would have thought...............Hibs is that a BHA or a local explanation?

BHA Rob

The experts say there is also a difference between "all weather" and "Polytrack" which has to be taken into consideration. The biggest difference on ours may be a horse that acts on a "tight" course as against "long straight"

In the UK ,there is a difference in performance(although no separate official rating) between "Fibresand" and "Polytrack" ,but both surfaces are described under one banner as "All Weather"

Tomorrow decision will be taken All races down the straight will be on the grass ,rest on the poly

The 2400 race Dorrie become a 2200m race then?

Nic, I think so yes...

We were told earlier that the longest poly race will be on 2200m

Sham Racing Wrote:

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> The experts say there is also a difference between
> "all weather" and "Polytrack" which has to be
> taken into consideration. The biggest difference
> on ours may be a horse that acts on a "tight"
> course as against "long straight"


Yup, so I reckon Arlington type horses preferred for now.....

Sorry guys would someone be kind enough to firstly confirm...
1. Are all 1400 races moved to 1300 when moved to the Poly or was last time a one-off? I see there is at least one race scheduled over 1400 tomorrow.
and

2. What are the max fields permitted on the Poly...
from a previous thread I believe it is max
1000-1200 16 runners
1400 and 1600 only 14 runners

What is the max for 1300?
What is the max for 1700 upwards?
and

3. Which horses become reserves from the original fields or do I just have to wait til someone eventually updates their website?
4. (I guess there is no answer to this one but on the off-chance...) Where can I find all this officially explained?

If anyone can help, it would be much appreciated. Little point studying otherwise!

Pouring atm...

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