S. Cup - Where is 23rd Oct Log, or Nov 6th

Hi Robert,
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Note 1 - excluded are Run For It, Blaze Of Fire, Potala Palace, Masai Warrior and Eastern Cobbler - all scratched from the race since the last log.

Note 2 - there were five supplementary entries at 2nd entry stage viz Whiteline Fever, Abercrombie, Balse, Paterfamilias and Storm Warning.

There is still a 3rd entry opportunity on the same day as the final decs for the race on Mon 18 Nov.


Thank you!


Clyde


Log 5/11 Log 9/10 Age Sex Horse Weight MR NMR Rns Wns Best of last 3 Dist Comment Trainer

1 1 4 F CHERRY ON THE TOP 59.5 118 117 12 8 118 Ormond Ferraris
2 4 4 C WYLIE HALL (AUS) 60.0 119 118 8 3 119 Weiho Marwing
3 3 4 F DO YOU REMEMBER 58.5 116 115 10 3 116 Geoff Woodruff
4 5 G WHITELINE FEVER 60.0 118 118 118 Sean Tarry
5 5 6 G KNOCK ON WOOD 57.5 113 113 24 6 113 Ormond Ferraris
6 7 4 F JET BELLE 56.0 111 110 7 2 111 Robbie Sage
7 7 G ROYAL ZULU WARRIOR 59.0 116 116 10 5 110 M Dist Kumaran Naidoo
8 5 G GLORIOUS JET 55.0 108 108 28 4 104 St John Gray
9 7 G SMANJEMANJE 57.0 112 112 47 5 112 Tyrone Zackey
10 9 4 G ROCK COCKTAIL (AUS 56.0 111 110 11 3 111 Mike de Kock
11 10 6 H JET JAMBOREE 57.5 113 113 17 4 113 Recent Graded Dominic Zaki
12 16 5 M ILHA BELA 53.0 104 104 20 6 104 Mike de Kock
13 13 6 M CHERRY ON THE CAKE 55.5 109 109 38 7 109 Gavin van Zyl
14 14 6 G GOLD ONYX (NZ) 56.0 110 110 32 6 110 Sean Tarry
15 15 4 F ESPUMANTI (Gcool smiley 55.0 111 108 8 3 111 Mike de Kock
16 4 G KILLUA CASTLE (AUS 52.5 104 103 14 2 102 M Miler Geoff Woodruff
17 8 4 C TELLINA 53.5 106 105 9 3 109 Geoff Woodruff
18 19 4 G LOVE STRUCK 52.5 104 103 17 5 105 Charles Laird
19 12 5 G ASTRO NEWS 57.5 113 113 34 4 113 Charles Laird
20 17 5 G WAGNER 53.0 104 104 22 5 105 Joe Soma

4 C ABERCROMBIE 52.0 103 102 103 Mike Bass
11 11 4 G GOTHIC 53.5 106 105 11 2 106 L Kumaran Naidoo
4 G GITIANO 52.5 104 103 13 4 104 M Alec Laird
7 G ILSANPIETRO (BRZ) 56.5 111 111 40 9 108 Mike de Kock
4 C MASTER SABINA 51.5 102 101 6 3 102 Geoff Woodruff
4 G PATRIOTIC REBEL 53.5 106 105 14 2 106 Mike de Kock
6 G ROMAN WALL 53.5 105 105 24 5 105 Sean Tarry
4 G THE HANGMAN 55.0 109 108 10 4 109 Sean Tarry
5 G TIGER'S RETREAT 52.0 102 102 12 4 102 Sean Tarry
4 C YORKER 54.5 108 107 7 3 108 Geoff Woodruff


7 G CAPTAIN'S WILD 54.0 106 106 17 5 108 Mike de Kock
6 G S'IL VOUS PLAIT 53.5 105 105 23 7 105 Ormond Ferraris
4 G CIGAR BOY 52.0 103 102 13 2 103 Justin Snaith
5 G STRAW MARKET 52.0 102 102 21 4 103 Ormond Ferraris
5 G BARACAH 52.0 102 102 26 5 102 Sean Tarry
4 C WAR HORSE 51.5 102 101 15 3 102 Corne Spies
4 G TIGER PLAY 51.5 102 101 11 4 102 Brian Wiid
5 G RED FORT 51.5 101 101 4 1 101 Long Rests Geoff Woodruff
4 G DUAL ASSET 51.0 101 100 13 4 101 Ormond Ferraris
4 G SABADELL 51.0 101 100 14 3 101 Geoff Woodruff
4 G WILD ONE 51.0 101 100 8 2 101 Ormond Ferraris
5 G ROCCO'S LUCK (AUS) 51.0 100 100 14 5 100 Mike de Kock
5 G ROYAL BENCHER 55.0 108 108 11 4 106 Alec Laird
4 G BALSE 50.5 100 100 103 Gavin van Zyl
4 C TRUE MASTER 50.5 100 99 9 5 100 Justin Snaith
7 G EASTERN COBBLER 50.5 99 99 54 10 99 Mike Azzie
5 G GENERAL SHERMAN 50.5 99 99 16 5 99 Sean Tarry
5 G YER-MAAN 50.0 98 101 21 5 101 St John Gray
4 G KINDLE 49.5 98 97 6 1 98 Mike de Kock
5 M DANCE ALLEY 49.5 97 97 21 5 97 St John Gray
5 G SCOOP THE POOL 49.5 97 97 11 3 97 Kumaran Naidoo
5 G SILVER AGE 49.5 97 97 11 4 96 Jeff Freedman
4 G JOHNNY ROCKETS 49.0 97 96 7 3 97 Justin Snaith
5 G MEISSA 48.5 95 95 8 3 97 Gary Alexander
5 G HALVE THE DEFICIT 48.5 95 95 10 3 95 Sean Tarry
6 M FORMATION 48.0 94 94 24 94 St John Gray
4 G SERISSA 47.5 94 93 19 3 96 Sean Tarry
4 G PATERFAMILIAS 47.0 93 92 97 Mike Bass
4 G STORM WARNING 47.0 93 92 97 Dominic Zaki
4 G AMERICAN STORM 47.0 93 92 16 1 97 Spike Lerena
4 G MERCURIAL BRAVE 47.0 93 92 5 2 93 Mike de Kock
4 G THE KING AND I 46.5 92 91 13 2 92 Sean Tarry
5 G DESERT RAPTOR 46.5 91 91 14 3 91 Alec Laird
4 G ALEXANDER 46.0 91 90 14 3 97 Glen Kotzen
4 G CONCATENATION 46.0 91 90 6 3 91 Frank Robinson
4 G ANTARCTIC CALL 45.0 89 88 19 2 89 Chris Erasmus
4 G SPANDAU BALLET 45.0 89 88 7 3 89 Alec Laird
6 G FLAMING FORGE 45.0 88 88 32 5 89 Brian Wiid
5 G INDIAN RIVER 45.0 88 88 14 3 88 Alec Laird
4 G PIERNEEF 44.5 88 87 6 2 88 Kumaran Naidoo
4 G PRINCIPLED 42.5 84 83 4 1 86 Joe Soma
4 G TOP COMMAND 41.5 82 81 8 1 82 Sean Tarry
3 C DULY ORDAINED (AUS 41.0 96 80 4 2 96Mike de Kock
5 G RHEIMS 40.5 79 79 12 2 80 Alec Laird
5 G HENRY HIGGINS 38.5 75 75 35 7 75 Paul Peter
4 C RAKAAN (ARG) 37.5 74 73 4 1 76 Mike de Kock

Thanks Bob. (tu)

Ilha Bela moves up from 16th to 12th after her quality 3rd when well in at the weights in a conditions plate. :S

Smangemanje goes from outside the Top 30 to 9th with a MR99 win. :S

How come is Master Sabina who beat Ilha Bela giving weight and now receiving weight is not in the Top 20?

Some very stange inclusions and exclusions.

Certain aspects of the new log confuse me.................but I have given up trying to make sense of subjective fields.

If you subscribe to an "ability rating " system ,why not accept,in that order,with perhaps 2 proviso's
1)evidence that distance suited
2)long lay offs need to show evidence of fitness/soundness

Anything else is surely suggesting that the handicappers and their ratings are inept!

shrek Wrote:

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> Ilha Bela moves up from 16th to 12th after her
> quality 3rd when well in at the weights in a
> conditions plate. :S
>
> Smangemanje goes from outside the Top 30 to 9th
> with a MR99 win. :S
>
> How come is Master Sabina who beat Ilha Bela
> giving weight and now receiving weight is not in
> the Top 20?
>
> Some very stange inclusions and exclusions.

I agree - also I think you did not mention Yorker, because you did not want to seem biased as you touted him as a possible value bet earlier on - well I find it mighty strange that after beating (on handicap terms) the top of the log Cherry on the Top, as welll as Wyllie Hall in the Nov, Y still only just manages to scrape into the 'next 10' - after having soundly beaten Tellina and Wagner (and Love Struck), who somehow all manage to stay in the top 20 :S And if the reasoning is that he is doubtful to stay the 2000, the same should apply to Killua Castle ?

shrek Wrote:

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> Ilha Bela moves up from 16th to 12th after her
> quality 3rd when well in at the weights in a
> conditions plate. :S
>
> Smangemanje goes from outside the Top 30 to 9th
> with a MR99 win. :S
>
> How come is Master Sabina who beat Ilha Bela
> giving weight and now receiving weight is not in
> the Top 20?
>
> Some very stange inclusions and exclusions.


Astro news trained by Gavin Smith. why bother trying to get stuff right.

why this panel rubbish, pick the best 20 horses on merit, finished and klaar...

Sylvester Wrote:

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> shrek Wrote:
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> > Ilha Bela moves up from 16th to 12th after her
> > quality 3rd when well in at the weights in a
> > conditions plate. :S
> >
> > Smangemanje goes from outside the Top 30 to 9th
> > with a MR99 win. :S
> >
> > How come is Master Sabina who beat Ilha Bela
> > giving weight and now receiving weight is not
> in
> > the Top 20?
> >
> > Some very stange inclusions and exclusions.
>
>
> Astro news trained by Gavin Smith. why bother
> trying to get stuff right.


Yorker gelded before last run but as you say who cares.

The Hangman has dropped down in the rankings

gregbucks Wrote:

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> why this panel rubbish, pick the best 20 horses on
> merit, finished and klaar...


Would you have a horse with (say) MR 115 who has not run for 6 months and has never won over further than (say) 1600 get into the race in stead of a horse that has (say) MR 105 who has run to his rating over a similar trip a couple of times in the last 3 months ?

I believe the principle of having a log is sound - but as with many other things in life, the application in practice of something that looks good in theory, is often a problem

Frodo Wrote:

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> gregbucks Wrote:
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> > why this panel rubbish, pick the best 20 horses
> on
> > merit, finished and klaar...
>
>
> Would you have a horse with (say) MR 115 who has
> not run for 6 months and has never won over
> further than (say) 1600 get into the race in stead
> of a horse that has (say) MR 105 who has run to
> his rating over a similar trip a couple of times
> in the last 3 months ?
>
> I believe the principle of having a log is sound -
> but as with many other things in life, the
> application in practice of something that looks
> good in theory, is often a problem

No but then the trainer has to be an idiot IF he runs a miler that doesn't stay over the distance... that's just common sense to me... just look at the forum replies on this thread to some of the decisions on the log they tend to complicate matters with these new systems imo, simplify them.

I don't know but when were logs introduced Frodo??

These logs certainly offer discussion and opinions , I think they are good for that alone