OWN PART OF A RACE HORSE FOR R6500 AND HAVE A TICKET IN THE $1 0000 000 RACE JAN 2016

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11 years 9 months ago
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@Shezapunter & others empathising:

'I think its unfair of every1 who is giving James a hard time.
Every1 has done things wrong ind past, and he has said what he did.
He also hasn't said 1 thing bad or wrong about any1 on here from what I remember!!
If u don't want to join his syndicate, don't! If u do, then do. Don't punish some1 for there past and what u think was right or wrong. Did he purposely hurt his horses? I highly doubt it!!!is he money driven? 100% yes, aren't we all!!!that is why we punt.

I actually am very put off at the way he has been crucified on this thread, its not right.
As well publically named and shamed, when he clearly stated he will PM anyone interested is just below the belt.

JB my sympathies are with u, no1 diserves to be humiliated. And brought down like this.'

It's a blot on us fellow humans that we (whether religious or not) are so taken up in a frenzy (like a pack of hyenas at someone else's kill), we tear into fellow human beings...regardless!

I have also had my shameful downs where I tried my utmost to come up but was let down by others (crooks!) who appeared like angels whilst I took the flack at the cross. Many others have been there....amongst all of us; not so?

Great comment ShezaPunter...really great!

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Re: Re: OWN PART OF A RACE HORSE FOR R6500 AND HAVE A TICKET IN THE $1 0000 000 RACE JAN 2016

11 years 9 months ago
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And Hibs obviously has an axe to grind and yip jaaps is his gat gabba. . . . There are a bunch of vety intolerant people on this forum. 2008 was a tough year.....
James, my opinion. . . .you are not learning from your mistakes. All the best going forward !!

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Re: Re: OWN PART OF A RACE HORSE FOR R6500 AND HAVE A TICKET IN THE $1 0000 000 RACE JAN 2016

11 years 9 months ago
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My take is if you come on a racing forum selling an[ investment ], we entitled to know who you are and what your claim to fame is ...harsh yes:S .

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11 years 9 months ago
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Forget all the emotion..................JB you must qualify as one of the unluckiest people in history, BUT:

a)It is/was your intention to start taking R6500 from people whilst still disqualified
b)Before the "harsh" posts you had not disclosed your history which is surely relevant.
c)Some time ago you gleefully posted that you were debt free..........however your explanation admits moneys still owed to Jocks.....did you just forget those debts?
d)To all those full of sympathy.............send your R6500!

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11 years 9 months ago
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fogwils Wrote:
> James Blond I also feel for U but then again we
> only have ur side of the story. By ur own
> admission U are still trying to get back on ur
> feet and will repay ur debts once U are
> financially sound again. Please explain to me how
> U can now afford Race Horses thru Sindication at
> this point in time given the above. Also indicate
> whether U are 'warned off 'or not by supplying
> tangible proof and not hearsay.
>
> What I cannot fathom is that with ur life
> experience and present situation that U would even
> entertain a thought of getting involved in an
> expensive hobby before U can actually afford it.
>
> I wish U the best and hope U do succed in getting
> back on ur feet and also with ur Sindication and
> thanks but no thanks.

thanks for your input let me give you answers to your questions.
first of all here is what i was found guilty off
see link
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Let me clear this for you
first off Iet me state again I have never abused horses in my life and the circumstances relating to this incident was described by me in full earlier in this thread.
I was the responsible person in charge and as such I was found guilty because of that, it is the same for a trainer that is found guilty of doping he is found guilty as the person in charge example " TRAINER (name removed) has been warned off by the National Horseracing Authority.
he was found guilty of contravening Rule 73.2.4 in that he is the person responsible for the horses ( names removed) who tested positive for the banned substance, anabolic steroid 16?Hydroxystanozolol after running at Arlington on 25 September and 9 October 2009 respectively.


the difference is that the trainer was warned off that means he can not have anything to do with racing can not even enter a racecourse tote, book maker or anything.
I was just disqualified as a colour holder, at the inquiry when they gave their verdict the chairman stated that due to the circumstance I am not disqualified for life and can in future reapply and that is all on record and can be confirmed by Mr Doug DU RANT.As you can see for yourself in the verdict in never states that I am disqualified for life.

I do want to clarify one thing, and at the same time it will answer one of your questions,
this is not my syndicate and owned by me I am just the person who are setting up the model and getting persons to join, once all the shares are taken up the syndicate will not be a syndicate per sea but a (pty) ltd) with shareholdders the (pty) ltd will be the owner of the horse. For each share a share holder holds he will make a monthly contribution towards the keep of the horse which in this case is R200

the company now belong to the shareholders and they make the decisions. I will probably take out a share or two myself and then pay my monthly R200/400
for instance their are 100 shares and the shareholders could decide that there are a sale coming up and each shareholder contributes R2500 giving them R250 000 to purchases horses and they can keep on doing this for as long as they want to and the value of the company keeps on growing.
let say in 2-4 year time the company owns a few horses and one ore two is worth something and the companies value is for instances R8 000 000 worth. what is it that worth to you as n single shareholder? Your shares are equal to I% of the company so your share is worth R80 000 Let us say during that time you have put R20 000 into the pot to purchase horses, that R20 000 was a loan to the company which were paid back to you out of the winnings and you also got paid out dividends from the profits from the earning of the horses, so already you are well up
now imagine you owe 2,5 or 10%?.
so how do I benefit out of this?
i get R1500 per share = R150 000 and immediately everybody thinks hell this guy is walking away with a lot of money so let me brake it down for you:
Cost of setting up company R3 000
salary for 3 months R50 000
the rest of the money will go towards travelling cost, advertising (see businesses plan)cost to stay in CT a week before the sales
cost of paying 3 independent consultants to view horses before sales, cost of transport to get horse from sale to spelling farm.

About your question rebuilding my life
presently I am assisting persons who are blacklisted, sequestrated, under debt review with rent to own vehicles through a dealer network.
I also assist persons who are over indebted to bring back normality in their life to remove their debt legally and furthermore I have just launched a concept where we are going to assist persons who are blacklisted, sequestrated, under debt review with bonds to purchase property

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Re: Re: OWN PART OF A RACE HORSE FOR R6500 AND HAVE A TICKET IN THE $1 0000 000 RACE JAN 2016

11 years 9 months ago
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rob faux Wrote:
> Forget all the emotion..................JB you
> must qualify as one of the unluckiest people in
> history, BUT:
>
> a)It is/was your intention to start taking R6500 I never states that I am taking R6500 I get R1500 the rest goes to auditor to make paymnets this was also stated in earlier thread and as well what is happening with R1500 I get
> from people whilst still disqualified I do not own the syndicate as explained the nominee which will be selected by shareholders will be the color holder, see earlier explanation
> b)Before the "harsh" posts you had not disclosed
> your history which is surely relevant.If some body asked me I would have told them the same as per my letter of explanation
> c)Some time ago you gleefully posted that you were
> debt free..........however your explanation admits please provide that post I HAVE NEVER POSTED ANYWHERRE THAT I AM DEBT FREE IAM NOT THAT STUPID I ASK YOU TO PPLEASE BACK UP YOUE ACCUSATION WITH PROVE AS I CAN BACK UP WHAT I SAY WITH PROOF
> moneys still owed to Jocks.....did you just forget
> those debts? SEE LETTER OF EXPLANATION
> d)To all those full of sympathy.............send
> your R6500!

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11 years 9 months ago
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JAMES BLOND Wrote:
> rob faux Wrote:
>
>
> > Forget all the emotion..................JB you
> > must qualify as one of the unluckiest people in
> > history, BUT:
> >
> > a)It is/was your intention to start taking R6500
> I never states that I am taking R6500 I get R1500
> the rest goes to auditor to make paymnets this was
> also stated in earlier thread and as well what is
> happening with R1500 I get
> > from people whilst still disqualified I do not
> own the syndicate as explained the nominee which
> will be selected by shareholders will be the color
> holder, see earlier explanation
> > b)Before the "harsh" posts you had not
> disclosed
> > your history which is surely relevant.If some
> body asked me I would have told them the same as
> per my letter of explanation
> > c)Some time ago you gleefully posted that you
> were
> > debt free..........however your explanation
> admits please provide that post I HAVE NEVER
> POSTED ANYWHERRE THAT I AM DEBT FREE IAM NOT THAT
> STUPID I ASK YOU TO PPLEASE BACK UP YOUE
> ACCUSATION WITH PROVE AS I CAN BACK UP WHAT I SAY
> WITH PROOF
> > moneys still owed to Jocks.....did you just
> forget
> > those debts? SEE LETTER OF EXPLANATION
> > d)To all those full of
> sympathy.............send
> > your R6500!


You actually started a thread to announce your new financial status..............it will be in the archives somewhere but to be honest I couldn't be bothered................I think I will give your business plans a miss .............thanks!

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11 years 9 months ago
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YCentaur Wrote:
> Sorry to hear about the setbacks you had. Hope
> you all the best for the future. Bit about shocked
> the harsh judgement on ABC. Obviously they have
> had only smooth sailing adventures in their lives.
> Would love to know how much these harsh judges
> have invested in the racing game. Hibs you were
> very harsh with your comment. Good luck to you
> JB, I am sure when you started out on your racing
> adventure, when you dug deep into your pockets,
> you had no idea what lay in waiting for. And
> thank you for taking time out to tell your story.
> There many stories like your s in SA of guys who
> took big knocks in the property game.

THANX

Just to show you what brought me and a lot of developers and other people in the property game like estate agents bond originatores etc down

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11 years 9 months ago
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Wish you the best with the new venture.................things could just turn better maybe.

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11 years 9 months ago
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I think that it's fair from a position of ABC that these points have been highlighted now rather than down the line.
It's always difficult to find winners and horse racing never an investment but rather treat it as a fun journey and write off from day one.
This forum gives the floor for ideas and propositions but also has protect our image if the wheels come off?

All the best for anyone joining the venture

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11 years 9 months ago
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the story about the fool and hes money is very apropriate hear.

will any one invest in kobus again
will any one invest in the aeroplane pyramid scheme

stay away you will only cry

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11 years 9 months ago
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Flash Harry Wrote:
> the story about the fool and hes money is very
> apropriate hear.
>
> will any one invest in kobus again
> will any one invest in the aeroplane pyramid
> scheme
>
> stay away you will only cry


Flash are you refering to "kubus" ? Adriaan Nieuwoudt?

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