The Vaal tracks have not missed the rain

yes, James and Marthinus Mienie work with the riders throughout the day. It is mindboggling, though, how fast this course drains.

have a go at ra again.
what have they to do with Phumelela decision to cancel the Km meeting?
who told the manager to rip the course?the RA
who is the trainer rep? isn't it his job to speak to operator?

why RA fault?

As a mouthpiece for the owners surely they must try and get meetings thats lost back for owners especialy in kimb where for years when we lost meeting that were abandoned were just that lost i think if the ra stands for what they say surely as a paid up memeber they must engage with all stakeholders to see that lost meetings can be worked into the proramme

rockspider who did you approach from the ra to look into this problem.have you spoken to local rep for ra

have you spoken to larry wainstein about this
how many owners are ra members in Kimberley
have you spoken to Patrick davis about put meetings back in the next few weeks
sorry but try find these answers before run down anybody

Surely the powers in charge of racing must know the minute that meetings get cancelled plans must be put into action asap to try and replace the meeting if possible if meetings at the vaal and turf can be shuffeld around within 2 hours surely it can not be that difficult 2 to decide if a meeting can ve moved around was pisses me off is that i pay the same fee's for my license my colours and my ra membership but gets treated like a piece of sh@t surely i must be able 2enjoy the same treatment as all the other privelege holders.last i heard there where only 50ra members just enough for the chapter 2excist we were told that we will only know by friday if the meet is gonna be replaced but i can safely say that in my honest opinion i think a nun has a bigger chance of falling pregnant then that happening
And istand 2be corrected but since dec we only had 6 meets surely the paying owner that keeps a horse here and take the risk of losing meetings must get all the accolades they deserveand for those of mine that did it i must say i salute u

And as for the ra rep surely u know when u get put ur self up for electin that when u get voted in the members have given u poxy to act in there best intrest and keep them informed regarding such matters otherwise poor larry would not be able to field all the calls from memebers thats why we have a ra comitee and in this regard i must thank steph who phoned my wife and i to tell us that will must back our resignation from the ra till friday to see if we are not satisfied with the result of neg between rw and operators

whoah Wrote:

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> rockspider who did you approach from the ra to
> look into this problem.have you spoken to local
> rep for ra
>
> have you spoken to larry wainstein about this
> how many owners are ra members in Kimberley
> have you spoken to Patrick davis about put
> meetings back in the next few weeks
> sorry but try find these answers before run down
> anybody

Why should anybody have to keep reminding people what their role is..................it's what they paid for!
On appearances,the RA seems to be far too cosy with the operators...........everywhere that Riaan goes,Larry sure to follow????

Rob u r 100% correct

Rock spider I spoke to Larry this morning and was told that they in the process of putting together extra race day very soon ,to make up for lost meetings

Thanx dorrie/mark really appreciate the effort u guys put in

It's hard out there...just keep plugging away and things will come right.

Mark

The way that I understand it is that the decision on who to employ for tracks, when to cancel a meeting etc is not a RA function. So, please, lets leave them out of that side.

Now, as far as cancelling the meeting is concerned, its a case of you are damned if you do and you are damned if you dont. And none of us can control or predict weather 100%, irrespective of all the technology at our disposal. Mother Nature rules, boet, so you better accept it.

There are significant logistical costs involved in hosting a Kimberley meeting. There is also considerable inconvenience to many people out there when decisions are not made timeously. In the past, the Operators have been heavily criticised for not making decisions the day before when it was obvious that racing would not go ahead. Its very easy now, to sling off at the decision, with the benefit of hindsight, which they did not have. It is also significant to note that the same amount of whinging has not happened from here or KZN or WC, when they have lost meetings.

One would think that with the host of negative publicity which has clouded Kimberley during the past year, that the nucleus of Owners and Trainers over there would have organised themselves into a well run, fluent body and would be talking to PGL and the Operators regularly, working together to up their game, their image and their value to the Industry.

As for the comparison between moving a meeting from Turff to Vaal and rescheduling a meeting, we are not comparing apples to apples here. The fixtures are for that particular day. So when the swop happens, its for the same day. Unfortunately, Kimberley only has one racecourse....

I can assure everyone, that whatever they may think or want to think, that when Larry Wainstein agrees to follow a matter up, he will definitely do that.

But finding a replacement date is going to be difficult, imho. We have to understand that we race every day and that those fixtures are sold and bring in a substantial amount to the stakes pot. The whole balance of the potential income has been carefully assessed. The extra meeting will be on what day of the week? When it takes place, it will stand side by side with another meeting on that day? How will this impact on turnover? For example, lets say that they are racing at Kenilworth on Wednesday. KZN and Gauteng make better profits than on the days when they are holding a meeting, simply because they are getting turnover without the cost of the meeting. WC again, make their best profits when we race up here or in KZN. And there are even more intricacies to consider.

Ultimately, the stakes are there in the stakes pot. The meeting will be added. The point is just that its not as simple as it appears and thats why its not an automatic new date and thats also why, nowadays, its not that easy to postpone a meeting..... There is a bigger picture out there.

These are my opinions, based on what I have learned over the last few years.