Reserve Prices at CTS
- Muhtiman
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Re: Re: Reserve Prices at CTS
11 years 6 months ago
......the pedigree page gives you all the details of not well bred.....but well related ....as it lists all the family that has a record of achievement
......IMO Jackson was well bred because his pedigree picture was based on a international proven cross and he was/still is a good looking horse and was a buzz days before he was sold.....yet at the time he had no locally proven relatives....same for Soft Falling Rain and Variety Club ..... subsequent siblings were termed well bred because of their relation to the respective achieving siblings....here again I would use the term...well related as again imo the sires used in subsequent matings to the mares were not as good a match to that of the mating used to produce the family best achievers...... relationship to top achievers is then what a breeder and perspective buyers place on siblings and relatives as higher value and thus place higher reserves....also if they have had offers before the sales they are used to determine value and may use the offering price as a reserve.....
......IMO Jackson was well bred because his pedigree picture was based on a international proven cross and he was/still is a good looking horse and was a buzz days before he was sold.....yet at the time he had no locally proven relatives....same for Soft Falling Rain and Variety Club ..... subsequent siblings were termed well bred because of their relation to the respective achieving siblings....here again I would use the term...well related as again imo the sires used in subsequent matings to the mares were not as good a match to that of the mating used to produce the family best achievers...... relationship to top achievers is then what a breeder and perspective buyers place on siblings and relatives as higher value and thus place higher reserves....also if they have had offers before the sales they are used to determine value and may use the offering price as a reserve.....

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- Pixie
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Re: Re: Reserve Prices at CTS
11 years 6 months ago
Jack Dash Wrote:
> Craig Eudey Wrote:
>
>
> > gg, many of the small buyer are not even
> bothering
> > to go to sales anymore. Rather buy off the farm
> > where you can say that you have so much to
> spend
> > and you get shown what is in that price range.
> Can
> > haggle with the breeder. Less cost and time
> > wasted. Count the trainers at some of these
> sales.
> > Most used to go but now most don't.
>
> Craig, you say that as if you going to teach those
> sales a lesson. But the truth is the gap between
> top and bottom, or first and last if you like, is
> growing. In the 80's, almost every one at least
> had a shot of running in the group races. Small
> trainers, small owners, unknown sires, home
> breeders. While it's not impossible, the
> occurrence is diminishing year by year. It's
> probably inevitable that smaller yards are
> increasingly less competitive because in the 80's
> a big yard was 80 horses, now double that is
> common and that has come at the expense of the
> diversity of smaller businesses.
>
> If that is true, then the operators contribute to
> these facts in that they control the majority of
> the boxes and training facilities and their
> policies have a big effect in the outcome of this
> as years go by.
You don't need to spend millions to get a champion! look at Kochka and Along Came Polly . both champions and were cheap horse! Polly was sold at nationals for 60k! Kochka was a bit more. Captain America, Legislate and Elusive Gold all sold at Nationals for 400, 100 and 425 respectively.
> Craig Eudey Wrote:
>
>
> > gg, many of the small buyer are not even
> bothering
> > to go to sales anymore. Rather buy off the farm
> > where you can say that you have so much to
> spend
> > and you get shown what is in that price range.
> Can
> > haggle with the breeder. Less cost and time
> > wasted. Count the trainers at some of these
> sales.
> > Most used to go but now most don't.
>
> Craig, you say that as if you going to teach those
> sales a lesson. But the truth is the gap between
> top and bottom, or first and last if you like, is
> growing. In the 80's, almost every one at least
> had a shot of running in the group races. Small
> trainers, small owners, unknown sires, home
> breeders. While it's not impossible, the
> occurrence is diminishing year by year. It's
> probably inevitable that smaller yards are
> increasingly less competitive because in the 80's
> a big yard was 80 horses, now double that is
> common and that has come at the expense of the
> diversity of smaller businesses.
>
> If that is true, then the operators contribute to
> these facts in that they control the majority of
> the boxes and training facilities and their
> policies have a big effect in the outcome of this
> as years go by.
You don't need to spend millions to get a champion! look at Kochka and Along Came Polly . both champions and were cheap horse! Polly was sold at nationals for 60k! Kochka was a bit more. Captain America, Legislate and Elusive Gold all sold at Nationals for 400, 100 and 425 respectively.
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