Not another carry on at Flamingo Park

JAMES BLOND
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10 years 11 months ago

I have know Bill for very long time and he WILL NEVER DOPE his horses
one of the most honest trainers out there
might not always have the best horses but gives 200%
drives his truck up and down every race meeting from RTB to KMB

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JAMES BLOND wrote: I have know Bill for very long time and he WILL NEVER DOPE his horses
one of the most honest trainers out there
might not always have the best horses but gives 200%
drives his truck up and down every race meeting from RTB to KMB

Also one of the least successful until Ziets brought his effort into play...........it shows the improvement in many of the horses.
I think the way the NHA handle this subject really needs attention....................I would have been surprised if some of the horses had not needed medication, in addition to the care and training, and that is very reasonable,but to put medication and dope under a common heading of "prohibited substances" leaves the wrong impression!
I'm sure there is better terminology but just as an example surely "wrongfully racing whilst still under the influence of medication" would differentiate the offense from doping?

Racing should be trying to enhance its image ,not make it worse and separating the offences would be a very honest way to do that!

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I agree -" Insufficient withdrawal Time" as opposed to "Performance enhancing medication" -

rob faux wrote:

JAMES BLOND wrote: I have know Bill for very long time and he WILL NEVER DOPE his horses
one of the most honest trainers out there
might not always have the best horses but gives 200%
drives his truck up and down every race meeting from RTB to KMB

Also one of the least successful until Ziets brought his effort into play...........it shows the improvement in many of the horses.
I think the way the NHA handle this subject really needs attention....................I would have been surprised if some of the horses had not needed medication, in addition to the care and training, and that is very reasonable,but to put medication and dope under a common heading of "prohibited substances" leaves the wrong impression!
I'm sure there is better terminology but just as an example surely "wrongfully racing whilst still under the influence of medication" would differentiate the offense from doping?

Racing should be trying to enhance its image ,not make it worse and separating the offences would be a very honest way to do that!

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10 years 11 months ago

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Zietsman thinks the horse was got at and is fuming

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10 years 11 months ago

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the truth always comes out

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10 years 11 months ago

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Bob Brogan wrote: Zietsman thinks the horse was got at and is fuming

Does that mean this was dope , not medication?

A perfect example of why there should be different terms!

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Horse was given some stuff that stop us it from sweating etc

But he says why would they give a horse that's won twice already stuff it doesn't need

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JAMES BLOND
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10 years 11 months ago

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Dear Mr H I can assure you Bill is a good trainer
but a sin life sometimes things can go wrong
I am sure THE fact that Ziets joined him did make a difference
but I am sure , and I think Ziets will agree, with Ziet's limited knowledge of training when he started he good not make ALL the difference
There was a time that Bill Human would walk away with 3/4 winners a day at KMB and he even had winners on all the Gauteng tracks as well as the Vaal and had the odd winner in KWZN as well
so to make out as if he has no ability is not fair
Bill does not have the buying power as some of the other trainers has and he gets horses who's last hope is Kimberley
and in the last few months things has changed with Secrect Delight a prime example

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