phumellela unfair !!!

Good in theory but that would lead to loads of corruption with regards to the betting. The current scenario is fine. The chances of a bankered favorite being unruly or not loading and being scratched at the start must be around 100-1. As Mr H said, got to sometimes just accept it.

rob faux Wrote:

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> TNaicker Wrote:
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> > If there is a late, late scratching, then
> rather
> > than the scratched horse going onto the tote
> > favourite, the late scratched horse should also
> > qualify for the exotics...just my opinion...
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> Even if its 66/1 ??

Price shouldn't matter...if horse scratched at start and only the starter and vet at the start determine this, then it should qualify for the exotics...why put it on a favourite I may not have taken nor know which horse is going to be tote favourite due to last minute changes in favourite affected by the mystery Aussie punter...I don't take any of the exotics so I'm not providing an opinion from my pocket...

Doublejimmy, I remember the incedent well. It was Fort Baluga that did not load and Big Six won the race. I thought it was all over for Molly that night. He had to call security!

Unfortunate racing incidents happen all the time, it has worked for and against me on occassion. ATG in Sweden's V75 bet used to make provision for punters to pre-choose a substitute runner/s in the event of a scratching, not automatically the favourite. Not sure if this is still happening.

In most instances receiving the favourite is the fairest way that a scratching could be treated as it should have the best chance theoretically. Always bad though when you go for an outsider believing the favourite will be beaten only for you to receive the favourite and your analysis to be spot on.

Had a situation at Gosforth Park one day many years ago where I had 4 runners in a jackpot with all of them going down or seriously impeded after a dramatic first turn incident. Even worse than a scratching as you end up with no runner. All the more reason to be circumspect when putting the cash down.

As someone else posted, it's gambling and we take our chances.

LSU Wrote:

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> Unfortunate racing incidents happen all the time,
> it has worked for and against me on occassion. ATG
> in Sweden's V75 bet used to make provision for
> punters to pre-choose a substitute runner/s in the
> event of a scratching, not automatically the
> favourite. Not sure if this is still happening.
>
> In most instances receiving the favourite is the
> fairest way that a scratching could be treated as
> it should have the best chance theoretically.
> Always bad though when you go for an outsider
> believing the favourite will be beaten only for
> you to receive the favourite and your analysis to
> be spot on.
>
> Had a situation at Gosforth Park one day many
> years ago where I had 4 runners in a jackpot with
> all of them going down or seriously impeded after
> a dramatic first turn incident. Even worse than a
> scratching as you end up with no runner. All the
> more reason to be circumspect when putting the
> cash down.
>
> As someone else posted, it's gambling and we take
> our chances.

There is little / no integrity in the dividends and too often the fixed price favourite and tote favourite are not the same due to the still un-investigated, mystery Aussie punter that plays havoc with our tote dividends...

TN

As long as its real money driving the price the TF is still the only solution that has some merit at this point outside of the option that I mentioned in the first paragraph (punters being able to choose a 1st substitute, 2nd substitute etc).

Looking at systems the current system in use would probably not be able to handle the substitute option.

my concern here is that when we tamper with the existing rules iro the tote favourite etc, we could open a can of worms.... we know that there are no guarantees in racing, so we live with it. I think that it is the same rule here as at Gold Circle as at many other countries.
As I posted earlier on this thread, I also lost. Horses lose, for hundreds of potential reasons, including not loading. I am not happy about it, but that's racing.....

I agree with Louis but I also have a lot of sympathy for every punter that has done his money in cold blood.

Without wishing to move away from the thread it is important that we make rules player friendly, especially if we are to entice new players to the game.

This is not to suggest an overhaul of the current product range as it is mostly good and caters for a wide spectrum of possibilities and preferences.

We need to address some of these issues in new products though as all any one wants is a decent run for their money and this should be the driving force behind thinking.

Give players an affordable and entertaining run for their money whilst acquiring the skills to become profitable players.

there has been times when the fav has been scratched at the start and time has been given for people to change their bets consistency is all you ask

ballie Wrote:

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> there has been times when the fav has been
> scratched at the start and time has been given for
> people to change their bets consistency is all you
> ask


This was according to the poster the Second Fav - With the tote being so erratic how can you even determine what the correct Fav is unless you use the bookmakers boards?

I have always believed that if you see a naughty child..... you smack the parents. Not loading is a symptom of a different cause. Once is ok, serial misbehaviour, fine the trainer and make reschool in stalls.

Also i think this 'loading in order of behaviour' is a load of shyte. When your horse is nominated a barrier position you know what will happen.... We start loading simultaneously outside to inside until done ! End of discussion.

Yes LouisG i know the world is NEVER black and white but rather shades of gray.... but at least all have parameters to work in.

The Madji Wrote:

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> I have always believed that if you see a naughty
> child..... you smack the parents. Not loading is a
> symptom of a different cause. Once is ok, serial
> misbehaviour, fine the trainer and make reschool
> in stalls.
>
> Also i think this 'loading in order of behaviour'
> is a load of shyte. When your horse is nominated a
> barrier position you know what will happen.... We
> start loading simultaneously outside to inside
> until done ! End of discussion.
>
> Yes LouisG i know the world is NEVER black and
> white but rather shades of gray.... but at least
> all have parameters to work in.

(tu)