Game demo challenge

After the scoring of leg 6 there are no more players still in line for the Pick 8 Jackpot but quite a few in the running for the guaranteed daily pay out.

This is where there is a strong divergence from ordinary Pick N bets in that a large percentage of the daily pool is up for grabs to the best player or players on the day. It now moves from having to beat the system to having to beat all other players in the daily game.

The carry over amount would go into the very next Scoreline event, whichever centre it might be and there will be no guessing where the amount will end up.

Each players best score from today would also go into the league portion of the game and will form part of their aggregate score for the duration of the league. No need to play every day, players only have to accumulate a predetermined number of event scores for entry into the league. Those who play more than the required number will be able to replace their lowest score on each occasion they get a higher score.

I will not be scoring the next leg until I get home. Will pick up comments and explanations at that point again.

Thank you to each and everyone that participated in some way in this demo.

Please feel free to comment on the good and the bad and thoughts or questions about the format.

Yours in racing.

Special thanks to Bob for his help in this event.

Congratulations to Mr Hawaii for putting in a sterling performance and winning today's demo competition.

If you go into your account you will notice that it has been credited with todays dividend.

The different pools have also been updated, the new carry over amount on the Pick 8 which wasn't won as well as the league pool.

Thanks again to the participants.

Your comments would be welcome.

LSU wrote: Congratulations to Mr Hawaii for putting in a sterling performance and winning today's demo competition.

If you go into your account you will notice that it has been credited with todays dividend.

The different pools have also been updated, the new carry over amount on the Pick 8 which wasn't won as well as the league pool.

Thanks again to the participants.

Your comments would be welcome.

wow I though it did not go through - wish it was real ash though!!

I have just registered LSU
Pity you left it to the morning,some of us have to work too
Next time please try to let us know earlier?

Will do J, apologies

LSU,sounds like an interesting alternative to traditional exotics!
Just one question...........are all races equal when it comes to scoring?
The reason I ask is, that when the "consolation" pick6 was in force,any ticket that survived the first 5 legs collected ,but any other 5 winners were losing tickets, which did seem unfair to some extent.(ie each leg was like a qualifier rather than of equal value)

Thanks for your question Rob

The game has 3 tiers, one of which is optional (the league component)

Tier 1 is a traditional Pick N (could be any number of legs but we have opted for eight) where all the winners have to be correctly predicted to win the prize. Just like a standard exotic but tougher as we are not going to cater for fractional betting. If Tier 1 is not won it will jackpot to the next Scoreline event which we are hoping to offer daily.
In current format 30% of the daily net pool will jackpot after each event which isn't won.
This will ensure that players will know exactly where the carry over is going to and it will be available to them immediately at the next event. This should give week day pools a huge boost and ensure decent and attractive pools throughout. It will also enable racing to offer more attractive jackpots on a regular basis to compete more effectively with the likes of casino's and the lotto

Tier 2 is a complete change away from normal exotics as a portion of the daily pool is guaranteed for pay out to the best player/s. This is based on a points matrix with set values for 1st to 4th with a win getting an elevated reward but players also rewarded for consistency. It also provides a better differentiator than a place accumulator which will result in many big pay outs even when the jackpot is not won on the day.
An operator would also be able to offer the entire pool on occasion to the best performance on the day if they wish to use it as a marketing opportunity. There is no elimination from the game as unplaced runners attract no points but players continue in the game.

Tier 3 is the most exciting part of the game as it will be a league offering in a live pool rather than a stand alone event with buy in and rigid participation rules. The Scoreline league will be dynamic with prize money growing after each daily event.
Players will have to take part in a predetermined number of events as decided by the operator. We see it as potentially 15 to 20 events out of a possible 90 events quarterly. Players can decide for themselves which events they would like to partake in, entry any time as long as enough events are available to qualify.

We have set aside 10% (could be any) of the daily pool for the league and over 90 events will provide approximately 9 times the standard pool as prize money, we believe it will be bigger though as the two pools, daily and league will feed off each other.

This prize money could be split 50%, 25%, 12.5%, 7.5% and 5% to 5 winners each quarter and as you can see this could produce racing's biggest winners on a regular basis, and pay out is guaranteed.

Regular players are rewarded by a format that allows the dropping of your lowest score each time you play in an event once you have achieved the qualifying number of events. This will ensure close competition throughout the entire event which will make it very competitive and interesting as well as an attractive tournament to enter.

Players can play their normal perms and have multiple lines on the day as they would do now but only their best score per event will be utilised for the league. No entry fee required as it will come out of daily contributions.

This format will give all players a real shot at winning mega cash and will provide the fairest payment methodology yet seen in racing.

Thanks LSU,very innovative!
The one thing that I assume will be very important will be an efficient computer programme but it won't have the pressures of a betting exchange as there is no "in running " betting or adjustment (If I understand it correctly)
Based on yesterdays example ,I assume that each day constitutes 256 lines per bet?
You say there will be no fractional betting,which seems sensible due to the 3 tiers,but what have you decided will be the unit of bet..........I am assuming it won't be a rand,as at 10c it will cost R25.60 per bet.Do you know how that compares with the average spend, per punter?
Finally,is it the intention to apply for a licence and run this product yourself or "sell" it to the tote to include as an additional bet type?
Finally ,I hope you end up well rewarded for your innovation...........well done!

The unit of betting is really quite important as you have correctly identified and I would recommend something in the region of 10 to 50c.

Our idea is not to offer it ourselves but to work through established betting operators as a complementary product offering to their existing range.

A number of players are looking at it and we have a very important demo coming up next week which is why I wanted to do a test run this week.

The game is fully developed as a pari-mutuel online offering on either a stand alone basis or linked to the operators existing platform.

Our local operator has regrettably informed me that the game is too complex (punters are all presumably stupid as you know) and that online does not have enough traction in SA. Talk about waiting for things to happen rather than being pro-active and driving the process.

Luckily there are some progressive thinkers in the world, although not many in the racing industry, but things are changing, it just takes time.

I have no doubt that this product and a few new one's we are working on will be good for racing and will aid in the marketing thereof.

Just one further note Rob.

Yesterday's example was merely for the demo, two picks per leg. In production this could be a possibility but we are aiming to offer a standard permutation option with players deciding on their own investment amount as per normal.

LSU wrote: Just one further note Rob.

Yesterday's example was merely for the demo, two picks per leg. In production this could be a possibility but we are aiming to offer a standard permutation option with players deciding on their own investment amount as per normal.

Oh OK,I thought you were restricting it deliberately .................might it not be a bad idea as it could make it more attractive to those who believe that they are out-muscled by affordability in the traditional exotics??? I realise you couldn't restrict the number of tickets per punter but it might change a perception.
(might be interesting to survey whether the small punters feel they are feeding large perms with the crumbs that make up the loaf- I have heard that view expressed a few times)

Very valid point Rob that would be the betting operators prerogative as it is catered for in our production options.

Would certainly change it to more of a competition than purely a wager and that would be good for the image and marketability of the game.