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10 years 2 months agoDon wrote: what about racing is immoral? I could name lots but would like to hear it from you...lol
I think children don't know the value of money - and don't know necessarily how money and its evils connect to betting. They can therefore stills safely be made to understand handicapping, the science of racing?
The very nature of forcing animals to race for human pleasure is immoral and something I battle with every day. The notion that grown men have to restrict their diets to make ridiculous weight limits is immoral. I love racing but the sanitised 60 seconds that it takes for a sprint race does not reflect the Industry. I have known people that have won fortunes and others that have lost everything including their families through Gambling(Racing not exclusive) I would rather grow the casual punter market than try to rely on creating addicts for funding.
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of course a person needs to be of consenting age to participate. But to learn, no.
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10 years 2 months agoDon wrote: education goes both ways - the children you refer to under your fiancee's care come from areas and neighbourhoods where substance abuse is rife, and due to a socio-economic endemic? It is inherent in their people's culture. The children grow up under 'the way' and get to learn too late what is right, and what is not, and what measure can be taken.
If the education and conditioning for culture is done correctly, they will not make the wrong connection. They are able to reason for themselves at quite a young age and with guidance, make a sensible choice. Hence the education for handicapping as a science, first. Most things in life are based on competition - survival relies on humans competing, Maslow's needs. Racing is competitive. A structured competition. It is the structure that needs learning.
Casino's advocate gambling. The odds are high. Horseracing is not gambling, nor a game of chance. It is educated risk, with structured probability. Herein lies the difference.
You would be surprised - The institution is a private one and they only cater for a few subsidized beds - It costs about 24k for 4 weeks so most kids there have parents on Medical Aid and many are extremley well off(Drugs are not cheap and most of these kids are not there because they've committed any crime to source drugs ) - The old idea that only the poor used Drugs is a fallacy - I would not sleep well if I knew I was teaching children to Gamble!!
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10 years 2 months ago
my apologies, thought you were referring to alcohol as being the substance, as you will find in the Western Cape whole communities. Yes, there are those in society as you mention- and who knows why those kids turn to it, a myriad of reasons and causes. Thanks for detailing.
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Don, with the utmost of respect you are barking up the wrong tree here. You sound like a person who has no kids. How would you screen the kids backgrounds before going on the tour ?
However, this would and could be a good idea for the industry as a whole ie: breeding, work relateted opportunities, farriers and trainers etc. Explaining how it all fits together as a career of sorts. Punting wouldnt be on my agenda at all.
However, this would and could be a good idea for the industry as a whole ie: breeding, work relateted opportunities, farriers and trainers etc. Explaining how it all fits together as a career of sorts. Punting wouldnt be on my agenda at all.
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We all know that if racing is to grow it needs new blood so this kind of initiative is clever. Well done...
I have been taking my kids to the races since they were babies. My son's not too interested but my daughter is crazy about all things horses and racing. If I go to Summerveld or Greyville/Scottsville without her I'm quickly told my story LOL...if she wants to bet one day then that's her problem....for now I'm making sure our beloved sport has one new fan...
I have been taking my kids to the races since they were babies. My son's not too interested but my daughter is crazy about all things horses and racing. If I go to Summerveld or Greyville/Scottsville without her I'm quickly told my story LOL...if she wants to bet one day then that's her problem....for now I'm making sure our beloved sport has one new fan...
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didn't mean it to be 'creating addicts'. I mean the education must create awareness, understanding, respect and 'a love for'. And then ultimately accept it as a culture, which will create sustainable support for the future, of different levels of participation - fans, seasonal support, punters of varying degrees, owners. A bit like national pride in Rugby.
As for the animal factor, this one is going to be difficult - as commodities= will never be ok.
As for the animal factor, this one is going to be difficult - as commodities= will never be ok.
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10 years 2 months agoneigh wrote: Don, with the utmost of respect you are barking up the wrong tree here. You sound like a person who has no kids. How would you screen the kids backgrounds before going on the tour ?
However, this would and could be a good idea for the industry as a whole ie: breeding, work relateted opportunities, farriers and trainers etc. Explaining how it all fits together as a career of sorts. Punting wouldnt be on my agenda at all.[/quote]
And that I support for kids that are 15 upwards because they are at an age where they need to plan for the future and the earlier you start in the "working side" of the Industry the better - a kid under 10 is just that a Kid and at that age many still think being Spider-man or Brittany Spears is a career choice.
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society is made up of all sorts Neigh, those who are ok, those who are not, and then there are also those who are not ok and diagnosed, or not! Think about that.
The education and tours will be light and age related? Handicapping,....not necessarily betting....the betting will make sense once handicapping is understood.
PS, Is sex education in schools delivered to background screened children only? (??)
The education and tours will be light and age related? Handicapping,....not necessarily betting....the betting will make sense once handicapping is understood.
PS, Is sex education in schools delivered to background screened children only? (??)
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10 years 2 months agoDon wrote: didn't mean it to be 'creating addicts'. I mean the education must create awareness, understanding, respect and 'a love for'. And then ultimately accept it as a culture, which will create sustainable support for the future, of different levels of participation - fans, seasonal support, punters of varying degrees, owners. A bit like national pride in Rugby.
As for the animal factor, this one is going to be difficult - as commodities= will never be ok.
I come from a family where going to the Theater or an Art Exhibition was a no go. I developed a love for certain forms of the performing arts at University when I was mature enough to understand what I was being exposed to. I believe the focus on reviving Racing should be 18-30 yr olds not younger. You now have a fairly mature brain that can understand handicapping and risk management
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10 years 2 months ago - 10 years 2 months agoDon wrote: society is made up of all sorts Neigh, those who are ok, those who are not, and then there are also those who are not ok and diagnosed, or not! Think about that.
The education and tours will be light and age related? Handicapping,....not necessarily betting....the betting will make sense once handicapping is understood.
PS, Is sex education in schools delivered to background screened children only? (??)
Sex is the basis of all life - Racing is not. Losing your salary on a punt may hurt for a while but having an unplanned pregnancy or contracting aids is a life changing event. Sex education is important to normalise society but showing bondage videos to 12 yr olds is not very clever. Allowing children on the Racecourse is awesome but teaching them about punting is not.
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10 years 2 months ago
the performing arts world has spent the last 70years after the 2nd WW building on just this - entrenching the love for it in children and under 18 year olds in order to ensure their future has followers. Successful endeavour worldwide, I would say, somewhat invisible unless you have children, or parents who are already lovers of the arts though.
Racing should adopt the same approach. It would be nice if the 18year olds arrived ready with understanding of the science of racing, and not take another two or five years muddling their way through it. Those who wish to punt, I mean.
Racing should adopt the same approach. It would be nice if the 18year olds arrived ready with understanding of the science of racing, and not take another two or five years muddling their way through it. Those who wish to punt, I mean.
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