Bonski interview

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8 years 2 months ago
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Mostly true,, corporate bullying as we all know is alive and well in racing structures and it resides in Telly Track too so I will chat to racing the executives via ABC so they can account to the industry without cover. ABC is seems to be one of the only "non censored" or totally controlled industry publications, we are in what seems like SA Racing's cold war era in 2017, ask yourself why ?

Formgrids is a world class product, this is not only my opinion but the testimonials on the website from racing's biggest names confirm this, yet we have not had one showing on the industry Horse racing channel Telly Track in our 14 years since inception, Formgrids provides one of the worlds most comprehensive form guides given and is given to the South African Racing community free of charge logic being that if you look after the customer then the game will pull itself right, all other aspects benefit if turnovers go up.

Formgrids show cases South African racing, Formgrids is non competitive to any South African industry structure, Formgrids adds greatly to the racing experience, Formgrids was put on to the internet when the call was to help rebuild racing, Formgrids has greatly served this industry and has contributed big time to turnovers which have added to the stakes pot, Formgrids has contributed to Phumelelas running costs.

The relentless resistance to Formgrids by racing executives has been phenomenal to say the least, if they put the same amount of energy into their scope of work racing would have been thriving by now.

Formgrids is free, I carry most of the costs, had I known what awaited me for doing my bit for racing I would never have done it, I don't regret the assistance and educating I have done for the industry at large, but I deeply regret having to deal with either short sighted or greedy self serving executives.

Formgrids get treated as racing's enemy number one, why? although it is undisputed and even admitted by executives that Formgrids is good for racing and greatly boosts turnover. Please think which true racing executive whom has racing's interest solely at heart would not trade his left arm to have a system promoting his product on a massive scale continually at a rate of 2.1 visits per minute 24/7, and all this to racing's direct market players, the punters, its customers who drive the game with the takeout from betting, let alone the assistance it gives to Breeders, Jockeys, Owners and the Trainers who advise their Owners on the chances of their horse in the races they compete in, and to most of the Telly Track Presenters are using the information gained from Formgrids to advise racing's customers daily on Telly Track, yet the presenters are warned and punished for the mentioning of the name Formgrids, WHY? we are not your competition, we do your tasks, we enhance the racing experience, we do YOUR business, that is of course if racing's interests are your main objectives.

Double standards are the order of the day.


Just to clear things up for the readers Joe Soma arranged a meeting with Rob Scott and myself to combine Formgrids and Computaform, Rob Scott asked me to send a business plan, I then went to Computaform office to see how their system works in order to work out how to go forward with a plan only to be denied access, Joe Soma then arranged with Clyde who agreed to assist with the business proposal, I forwarded what Clydes people sent my office to Rob Scott yet never heard from Rob Scott, he NEVER once took or returned my calls, or messages, I needed to get guidelines for the proposal so I wouldn't waste much needed time and money, both are in short supply at Formgrids in our quest to help the industry. One day at the sales i saw Rob Scott talking to Joe Soma, on his way he walked to my table and said the deal is on, yet i never heard from him again, No answer and no reply, then the Andrew Bon incident occurs. I now hear Rob Scott claims that when we proposed the joining of Formgrids and Computaform I asked for "to much" but he is referring to the figure of the value I placed on Formgrids, why did he not long ago tell me this or request other options?, was the meeting just a show and a waste of time, however he and others make far reaching decisions concerning our industry and whether the decision is correct and fair or not there is nothing anyone is willing to do about it, whats the point of the Formgrids team putting in all this effort if we are being blackballed by those that manage racing's controlling structure referred to as the "clique" by Shane Shaw and others who have been through the corporate bulling machine and been fired or oppressed by the power certain individuals misuse, a power given to them by racing boards. many of racing's sons have fallen foul of these power hungry individuals who work as a pack backed up by others, some may owe the existence of their jobs or their promotions to this "clique" and loyalty is absolute among them, how do we the outsiders with passion and love for racing help rebuild the game when there is nowhere one can go to report and flush out self serving executives.

Spite, jealously and self interest reigns supreme in the South African Horse Racing industry, now that Formgrids has opened your eyes and educated you on the way forward you will set up a similar system under the guise of "the industry must be self sufficient" and it has a "right to use and its own its information" but what about fair practice ? does this not exist in the corporate world, I have carried and filled the gap for 14 years while you have stalled and watched for 14 years, all you've done is neglected your duty to racing by finding ways to overcome Formgrids, however the sad truth is that you will be rewarded and Formgrids will be victimized, the Racing clique may yet rise even higher in the industry by getting more yes men in place but all you are doing is restricting racing's growth, racing needs input from a large selection of people and not only the opinion of of one or two people, done their way, under their control.

If it is possible, with time you may make it your mission to find ways to destroy my work using the very industry money that Formgrids has helped grow and people will applaud you and sing your praises but I and others know what you are all about, ask Shane Shaw, Advocate Joubert, Robin Bruss and a host of others about the truth of the incestuous destructive self interest force that runs OUR industry, you use racing's support and resources to carry out your objectives, You misuse the cloak of respectability that the boards carry, you skate on the back of the illusion of members names whom the public believe control the game, however these board members are either clueless or unfortunately gutless and the ones who see don't comment because they don't want to go against the flow or be associated with any controversy, what the point of boards with people of integrity if they wont get involved and do something decisive when needed, so you are safe for now but the rest of us live in hope that one day real integrity will reshape racing and then it will prosper, i know its hard to make a stand and make change because misinformation is used and backed up by the clique, the only way for this abuse to continue is for those that can do something about to sit back silently and in doing so you only support the perpetrators and the cycle continues, how many racing people and families must they destroy before something is done, they somehow manage to flush out all the hardworking individuals, can racing afford this ?, YOU DECIDE.
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8 years 2 months ago
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Thanks for the info Mr. A

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8 years 2 months ago
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These guys running racing sound just like Zuma and his band of robbers. I bet they sit around their dinner tables berating Zuma for his dictatorial leadership.

The BIG question is, what can be done about it. For Zuma, there's talk of mass protests etc....what about these clowns?

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Thank you for that post David I feel vindicated and will now tell the second part of the story told to me by the same person. You have alluded to it in your revealing post without mentioning the actual deed about to take place. My source told me that you had had meetings with the big shots regarding a possible sale of formgrids. These discussions never resulted in a transaction occuring and the status quo remained. What shocked me was my source then said that Computaform were busy with an online system that would basically supply the info currently supplied by Formgrids in another guise. He said that this was already far advanced and would be live soon. What these guys have done is steal your idea. Please confirm that this is true. If it is, and I am sure that it is, it displays the type of people running the game. The two names continuously mentioned were Rob Scott and Larry Wainstein.
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Over the Air wrote: Thank you for that post David I feel vindicated and will now tell the second part of the story told to me by the same person. You have alluded to it in your revealing post without mentioning the actual deed about to take place. My source told me that you had had meetings with the big shots regarding a possible sale of formgrids. These discussions never resulted in a transaction occuring and the status quo remained. What shocked me was my source then said that Computaform were busy with an online system that would basically supply the info currently supplied by Formgrids in another guise. He said that this was already far advanced and would be live soon. What these guys have done is steal your idea. Please confirm that this is true. If it is, and I am sure that it is, it displays the type of people running the game. The two names continuously mentioned were Rob Scott and Larry Wainstein.

If this is true, it is despicable.

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Over the Air wrote: Thank you for that post David I feel vindicated and will now tell the second part of the story told to me by the same person. You have alluded to it in your revealing post without mentioning the actual deed about to take place. My source told me that you had had meetings with the big shots regarding a possible sale of formgrids. These discussions never resulted in a transaction occuring and the status quo remained. What shocked me was my source then said that Computaform were busy with an online system that would basically supply the info currently supplied by Formgrids in another guise. He said that this was already far advanced and would be live soon. What these guys have done is steal your idea. Please confirm that this is true. If it is, and I am sure that it is, it displays the type of people running the game. The two names continuously mentioned were Rob Scott and Larry Wainstein.

David, please give us the full story.

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8 years 2 months ago
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David i understand your message

If i consider ABC we may have a few undesirable posts at time that make people uncomfortable, however i regard them as constructive criticism.


The posters here are potentially customers but we are also regarded as a threat rather than a contribution to racing

I also understand that people with views that may work for the operators are basically told not to post on the site.


All i can say is i find this site beneficial to racing and we have many positives but the negatives are always highlighted

Many fires and comments could be immediately defused by a reasonable responsible reply on subjects relating to totes and frustrated punters

If the Zuma attitude to life is to be adopted so let it be
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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago
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Just looking at the thread Topic started 20 Dec 2014 15:27 by soodum "Derek brugman wanted to have a punt" which was revisited and replied to by Muhtiman on the 07 Apr 2017 06:49 so I go through some posts and come across this post by louisg on the 21 Dec 2014 21:06

"Then there is the producer and Telly track management. I found it quite funny that Rod Mc Curdy threatened me with not marketing my stable etc. This led to a "comedy of errors" which still goes on today My son and I have lots of laughs behind the scenes on this topic. He watches Telly track avidly when I am racing. It has become a game for us. As my horse wins, he calls me and we guess which advert they will play during my interview.... This is on the days when interviews are being shown. We have a few days when there were 9 races and only 8 interviews were shown. .. The best being when we won with trip tease and they switched to a replay of a documentary that Andrew Bon had put together on the forthcoming Dubai Super Saturday... The only problem being the fact that the Super Saturday meeting had already taken place on the previous weekend....lol.
Another one which we play games with is my use of Winning Form. This has been my choice of formguide for about 13 years now. It's amazing how the cameraman zooms in and up, when I am on and holding my Winning Form at my chest. So now I start low with the Winning Form and subtly bring it up to just under my chin. They then quickly cut to a slow motion (on the dvd) of the horse winning or the lead in etc. Every now and then, I throw the cat amongst the pigeons by mentioning eMeM's selections and referring to Winning Form. Watch next time we have a winner, you will see and you might even see the funny side of it.
Ultimately, though, we are not obligated to give our info to anyone, yet we try. Unfortunately, there isn't much benefit for us as a yard, from a Marketing point if view, so we may decide not to discuss our runners with Telly track in future.
Especially when post race interviews are not on a regular slot and very little, if any, exposure is gained from these.....at midnight. So much for "marketing" our yards... "

The post above by louisg highlights the spitefulness and abuse of power/position that so called racing executives utilize,, they put their own agenda and grudges and vindictiveness before punters and racing's interests and you know what we just take it because there is no recourse or systems in place to combat this misuse of racing resources, these people take home salaries and get perks regardless of how much damage they do to the game,,

How many others have suffered under this abuse of power whereby executives victimize hard working good for the game people and ideas, not once has Formgrids been viewed on Telly Track, they can gun for me and others but in the end racing itself becomes the loser, Shane Shaw is another story Gareth Pepper another, Andrew Bon almost another, just saved by intervention, no matter what the cover up story becomes I and others as well as the abusers know the truth
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In 1997 a Memorandum of Understanding was signed between the Horseracing Industry in Gauteng and the Gauteng Provincial Government.

The parties agreed to reorganise and restructure the business of the racing industry into a single corporate entity to be listed on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange with the aim of protecting and supporting the interests of racehorse owners.

To me the current structure of racing is flawed and needs to be revised and restructured once again, one reason highlighted lately is that the first response whenever anyone in a controlling position in SA Horseracing is questioned about their conduct is "i dont have to answer to anyone" or something along those lines.

Are the people running racing a law unto themselves???.

Below is taken from the summary of the Parliamentary monitoring group and the word Members refers to the members of the Parliamentary monitoring group

"Members noted that there was no common law or body governing horseracing in the country. This was a concern because organisations could become a law unto themselves"

This indeed is happening, executives abuse the power the position holds to control the game as they please, they nail anyone whose dares not obey any instruction given regardless if its a bad for racing decision, they stand together and support one another regardless as a clique, sadly there is no recourse for the victims and there is a list of them with Andrew being the latest.

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8 years 2 months ago
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David according to Bob this is news to Andrew :lol: :lol: :lol:

Perhaps you could update us on the latest news please

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Let Bob contact Rob Scott and get his comment,,,,

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8 years 2 months ago
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I never bothered asking Rob cause Bonski denied it ?

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