How does your final field look?

mr hawaii wrote:

The missing link wrote: Surely a spot for sun on Africa though? Smashed Helderberg Blue who ran just behind the South African version of Frankel that is Elusive Silva? Mind you why isn't Helderberg Blue getting a look in, he finished just as close as the mighty Black Arthur did to ES at the weights. And what about crowd pleaser he ran a cracker behind ES? Actually I think the whole formline should get in because if you ran behind Elusive Silva you are good enough to run in the July.

Black Arthur has about as much merit as sun on Africa, Helderberg blue and crowd pleaser to run in the July and that's in black and white and that's the truth. I have however given in to the fact that Black Arthur will get in. The Snaiths have turned into boxing promoters to get the horse in which is a bit sad but hey you got to do what you got to do when the horse isn't good enough to get in on exposed form.

they are not entered so moot point

I'm aware of that, they not entered because they not good enough, their trainers aren't going on PR campaigns to try and get an unworthy horse into the July.

Love them or hate them....the Snaith boys bring a new refreshing dimension into this field selection and i for one cannot begrudge them for their efforts in raising the profile of Black Arthur.Other stables can take a leaf out if this and this is what the July vibe is all about......and no other race in the continent matches it...I am NOT a Black Arthur fan but hope he gets in.......and maybe we all get egg on our faces..

at 300 to 1 and 150 to 1 girl on the run and trophy wife look massive runners in the july and deserve their spot but black arthur at 10 to 1 doesnt and really what do the bookies and the betting public know anyway ...seriously the horse has had 10 runs and has a similiar if not better profile than the conglomerate who some may have forgotten won the race last year ..they both won the natal guineas as 3yos and then both got gelded in january of their 4yo career and its very clear that black arthur is crying out for this distance if you take the time to listen to delpeches interview after he won on black arhur last year in the guineas ..3rd run rest gelding lightly raced as a 4yo with 54.5 and from a yard that knows how to train a july winner but rather have some old flipping mares who should be making babies ..

If more trainers were like the Snaiths we would have a lot more hype and build up to our flagship races. At least we know a bit about their runners beyond the form. Punters cry out for stable info and then when it is made available, they are promoting their horses?

The first 6 have won the races that matters to the panel so not argueing about them.
1 edict of nantes
2 al sahem
3 master sabina
4 ten gun salute
5 elusive silva
6 coral fever

Lets see what the rest achieved in last 6 months in graded races.... yes 6 months to give your horse the chance to show he can perform in GRADED races . And distances from 1600m - 2800m i will consider (up to 600m shorter or further than 2200m July)

marinaresco
1600m GR1 4th
2000m GR1 5th
X
1600m GR1 unplaced

french navy
1600 GR 1 unplaced
2000m GR1 unplaced
X
2000m GR2 3rd
1600m GR1 2nd
2000m GR1 4th
1600m GR1 unplaced

brazuca
2000m GR1 unplaced
X
2000m GR2 WIN
2000m GR1 unplaced
1600m GR1 unplaced

krambambuli
1800m GR2 4th
2800m GR2 WIN
X

its my turn
1800m GR2 3rd
2000m GR1 unplaced
1900m GR2 3rd


nightingale
1800m GR1 4th
1600m GR1 WIN
X
X


mr winsome
X
X
X
X
1900m GR2 3rd
2400m GR3 WIN


tilbury fort
X
1600 GR2 4th
1800 GR1 unplaced
1900 GR2 2nd


Safe harbour
1800 GR1 2nd
X
1600 GR2 unplaced
1800 GR1 2nd
1600 GR1 4th
2000 GR1 3rd


trophy wife
X
1600 GR1 5th
2000 GR2 3rd
1800 GR3 unplaced


girl on the run
X
2000 GR2 2nd
2400 GR3 2nd

pagoda
X
X
X
X
2400 GR1 2nd
2000 GR1 unplaced


horizon
2000 GR1 5th
X
1600 GR2 unplaced
2000 GR1 3rd

Saratoga dancer
X
X
1600 GR2 unplaced


The conglomarate
1600 GR1 unplaced
2000 GR1 unplaced
X
1600 GR1 unplaced


The elmo effect
X
X
X
X
X
X
1800 GR3 5th


Black arthur
X
1800 GR3 3rd


Master switch
X
X
1900 GR2 unplaced
1800 GR3 unplaced


Witchcraft
X
2400 GR3 4th


Banner hill
X
X
1900 GR2 unplaced
2400 GR3 unplaced


Royal badge
X
2800 GR2 4th
X
1800 GR3 5th


Liege
1800 GR3 unplaced


nebula
1800 GR2 unplaced
X
X
1800 GR3 unplaced


Macduff
1800 GR2 unplaced
2000 GR1 unplaced
1900 GR2 unplaced
X

On these it paints a different picture , final field will look something like this :

1 edict of nantes
2 al sahem
3 master sabina
4 ten gun salute
5 elusive silva
6 coral fever
7 Nightingale
8 french navy
9 pagoda
10 safe harbour
11 brazuca
12 krambambuli
13 horizon
14 tilbury fort
15 girl on the run
16 mr winsome
17 marinaresco
18 its my turn

Reserves
19Trophy wife
20 royal badge

Then comes
Black arthur
Witchcraft
The elmo effect

And then all the ones who couldnt run in the first 5 places in any graded race in past 6 months
Saratoga dancer
The conglomarate
Master switch
Banner hill
Liege
Nebula
Macduff

You can look at this years final entries in different ways and each time select a different field, surely the odd surprise will jump up and plenty tears will be cried after tomorrow when the panel reveal the final field .

Imvho, there are a few flaws to your arguments, starting off with the definition of 'preferred' entry ..... of course everyone is entitled to an opinion ... I just don't agree with yours in this case

I am sure the panel are having a good read before making the final call :whistle:

Dave Scott wrote: I am sure the panel are having a good read before making the final call :whistle:

im sure they do to have a good laugh

Stable info is not a July evaluation criterion and nor is monies earned.

the duke wrote: Love them or hate them....the Snaith boys bring a new refreshing dimension into this field selection and i for one cannot begrudge them for their efforts in raising the profile of Black Arthur.Other stables can take a leaf out if this and this is what the July vibe is all about......and no other race in the continent matches it...I am NOT a Black Arthur fan but hope he gets in.......and maybe we all get egg on our faces..

I totally agree, we need more stables and racing personnel that are so passionate and think out of the box...hats off to the Snaith team.

I see Marcus has accepted the ride on Pogoda in the July Consolation 2200m race.

This may not get into the final July field.

Possible Garden Province field:

0 6 Bela-Bela 60 109 A A Delpech Justin Snaith
0 10 Bella Sonata 60 103 T A N Juglall Gavin van Zyl
0 4 Chevauchee (AUS) 60 98 A G Cheyne Brett Crawford
0 13 Fort Ember 60 100 A *L Hewitson Paul Peter
0 7 Frosty Friday 60 97 A W Kennedy Gavin van Zyl
0 15 Kilauea 60 96 BA C Murray David Nieuwenhuizen
0 23 Louisiana 60 92 A C Orffer Brett Crawford
0 18 Nightingale 60 105 A Candice Bass-Robinson
0 14 Polyphonic 60 100 A P Strydom Alec Laird
0 17 Star Express 60 103 A B Fayd'Herbe Justin Snaith
0 11 Bi Pot 59 98 A C Maujean Geoff Woodruff
0 19 Captain Gambler 59 92 A D Dillon Joey Ramsden
0 2 Gimme Six 59 106 A G van Niekerk Justin Snaith
0 9 Just Sensual 59 109 A A Marcus Joey Ramsden
0 3 She's A Giver 59 95 A G Lerena Johan Janse van Vuuren