Black Arthur

Lionel wrote:

The missing link wrote: He's a massive runner for me next year, by then he'll be off an 80MR after another impressive campaign and if he can get talked in I'm sure they'll change the rules to allow him to run with 30kgs on his back and then he wins and when he does I'll come on here and say he deserved his place because he won :woohoo:

Lol.. But with elements of truth.

I don't know why people get so bitter about his inclusion. At the end of the day we want the best horses in the field. As its a handicap the best horse won't always win, but as a punter you want a good run for your money while hopefully getting one over on the handicapper.

Black Arthur was not the best horse in the field, did not run the best race at the weights as was hoped for by many, but did give a better account of himself than many others. So I don't get the haters.

Even arguments about his inclusion above the reserves , while valid, were negated by the scratchings for other reasons.

I must say the handicapper did a brilliant job this year , to get most so close together proves he knows his stuff ,credit where it due

What you "should" do only applies while you don't know the result. Clearly Horizon "should" have got in straight, and I guess the result backs that up.

Black Arthur didnt really deserve to get in. Neither did Tilbury Fort. Even though Safe Harbour ran almost last, still she deserved to get in. Mr Winsome who had never got into a gr 1 race ran last, and just reading the form never looked like a July runner, never mind a July winner and his finishing position doesnt help his case. You would think buy-in's at least gamble to pick up a 10th place cheque for R50k.

Looking at the result and the betting, the disappointing horses (never made top 6) are Black Arthur, It's My turn and Ten Gun Salute (7-8-10). The 3yo's ran 2-3-6-16-18(f) at 4-4.5-36-45 and 25/1 so no one can complain.

The surprise was the least favored Snaith runner (as usual) Krambambuli 4th 0.40L at 20/1. The Merit Badge has to go to Bass' winner, Marinareso 60kgs, 2017 July champion: the early betting favourite who drifted out to 20/1 and won anyway, top weight and thru traffic, no excuses asked for or made.

Every year there is a hard luck story in getting in. Didnt Bernard get off Horizon to ride something else the other day? Bookmakers had BA as about 3rd favourite? They normally not too far off as it could cost them money.

Craig with all due respect you don't understand how bookmakers work

bookies will make more money shortening the horse

example If black arthur was 25/1 it would have gotten less support

by shortening the odds 25/1 20/1 16/1 12/1 8/1 6/1 5/1

the betting public follows thinking it must have a good chance since money is coming for the horse.

bookies will shorten odds without accepting any bets just to get the attention of punters.

that's why you hear some connections are left wondering where the money came from since the horses shortened but they wasn't aware of it.

bookies will always manipulate the odds to attract the bets

no one will play a first timer 50/1

but they will play the first timer if it shortens 50/1 to 10/1

Gambler wrote: Craig with all due respect you don't understand how bookmakers work

bookies will make more money shortening the horse

example If black arthur was 25/1 it would have gotten less support

by shortening the odds 25/1 20/1 16/1 12/1 8/1 6/1 5/1

the betting public follows thinking it must have a good chance since money is coming for the horse.

bookies will shorten odds without accepting any bets just to get the attention of punters.

that's why you hear some connections are left wondering where the money came from since the horses shortened but they wasn't aware of it.

bookies will always manipulate the odds to attract the bets

no one will play a first timer 50/1

but they will play the first timer if it shortens 50/1 to 10/1

Nonsense

Bob

before you call my post nonsense

Why don't you take the time to explain how I'm wrong ? that's if I'm wrong

Gambler wrote: Craig with all due respect you don't understand how bookmakers work

bookies will make more money shortening the horse

example If black arthur was 25/1 it would have gotten less support

by shortening the odds 25/1 20/1 16/1 12/1 8/1 6/1 5/1

the betting public follows thinking it must have a good chance since money is coming for the horse.

bookies will shorten odds without accepting any bets just to get the attention of punters.

that's why you hear some connections are left wondering where the money came from since the horses shortened but they wasn't aware of it.

bookies will always manipulate the odds to attract the bets

no one will play a first timer 50/1

but they will play the first timer if it shortens 50/1 to 10/1

Many years ago I worked for bookmakers to pay for my university fees (before fees must fall). A wise old man told me "this game is for kings and c¥nts....it's obvious by this and other posts Gambler is no King!


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' the 11 horses he beat home also didnt deserve to be in the field as well ..what a crock of shit'

You sound like a typical Arsenal supporter. ‘ Never good enough to win but at least we did better than the worst ‘

Gambler, you dont play games with the July betting. There are some seriously good punters out there who will break you if you put up stupid prices. Were all bookmakers around the country manipulating the prices at the same time? Justin is one of the nicest most open trainers around and no idiot with the number if big races they have won and he thought that at the weights and the draw and work at home that Black Arthur was their best runner. So he was wrong but only about 1,6 lengths off winning the race. Not last by 20 lengths.

With the complaining I am not sure if the hypocrites will have their money on this one next time out. BA ran a good race taking into account all the argie bargie in the race. Hope Justin brings this horse out on the 27th.

I am with Mr Eudey. Only a nitwit bookmaker will manipulate July day prices. I can say honestly say I have seen professional punters dish it out to bookmakers who are caught unaware when the money comes for a horse. As the saying goes .... Follow the money.