why punish the losers mr Handicapper

Pirates

because i firmly believe that the programme forces trainers to run their/our mediocre handicappers in incorrect races under incorrect terms.

If for example people could scratch on a Tuesday and run on Saturday that would open up more opportunities for horses to be raced when trainers felt everything was in their favour.

I feel that if a horse is correctly handicapped (Golden Man) he can be consistent at his level. This horse is lucky that he is versatile and equally rated at 3 different distances. Most horse are not so again they are forced to race in incorrect circumstances. That is not the handicap's fault.

Im not saying the UK are perfect or have it right BUT it amazing that every trainers goal, every tipster in the press both industry and national focus on the saturday handicaps.

I also feel that racing in SA is oimmer maaar net so.No real long term plan.

Where as when i am with my trainer here in the uk he is talking to me about the horses career over the next 12 months. He is able to do so because he knows that there will be correct races for the horse week in week out. It might not be on the wednesday but it will be on the Thursday in 7 months time.

Finally i know you are well connected so do me a favour and ring Lezeanne and confirm my instructions to her about my horses.

She will tell you that

" they must ALL be ridden like they are odds on, ridden fully to the line even if it wins by 20. Because I want to know exactly where i stand and i don't mind missing out on a race if I'm getting a rating of 100"

Those are our instructions.

sorry i misread YES squibs should be able to be competitive against other squibs. Again i think the programme and racing rules are to blame.

So if Im understanding this correctly, we need to ensure that owners with moderate horses should be entitled to run those horses and run them in races where they are competitive and could earn. In principal I agree it makes sense. What we will invariably see then are horses racing for longer periods and the average MR handicap will lower over time to cater for these average horses. What we are now catering for is mediocraty. I do get it that there are many slow horses around and understand that we should give owners the most opportunities to earn. However, with training fees what they are these days and stakes not keeping track, WHO ARE WE PROTECTING? I dont think its the owners.

Another point while we are hugging those poor owners with mediocre horses and trying to create an owners utopia, how do we handle the horse MR45 cost R40000 and the horse MR45 cost R800000?

easy wrote: sorry i misread YES squibs should be able to be competitive against other squibs. Again i think the programme and racing rules are to blame.

Squibs are superbly catered for every Monday that they race at Kimberley

Over the Air wrote: Another point while we are hugging those poor owners with mediocre horses and trying to create an owners utopia, how do we handle the horse MR45 cost R40000 and the horse MR45 cost R800000?

Seriously, please explain why anyone should worry about
a) some one who has R800K spending money and
b) that some one who thinks buying a race horse is just like kruger rands

On my list of things to give a shit about, those must be last and 2nd last.

I know only one thing for sure, it wasn't that blokes last 800k.

pirates wrote: introduce the race figure system and you can retire 90 percent of horses on the spot plus those owners will no longer want to own and the whole industry will go belly up ...lets see the likes of haddington take on other 3 time winners with classic form of level weights he will finish a furlong last

Rubbish

What you will see is horses that cannot win another race being retired or sent to lesser racing centres. Again in the long term this can only be beneficial to owners at the current training fees vs stakes scenario. Whether you like it or not Pirates, owners numbers have been decimated whilst the current MR system has been in place. I know its a lot more complex than just the MR system, but the reality is MR has not kept the majority of owners in the game, and more importantly has not stemmed the flow of owners leaving the game

Mini Tycoon wrote:

Over the Air wrote: Another point while we are hugging those poor owners with mediocre horses and trying to create an owners utopia, how do we handle the horse MR45 cost R40000 and the horse MR45 cost R800000?

Seriously, please explain why anyone should worry about
a) some one who has R800K spending money and
b) that some one who thinks buying a race horse is just like kruger rands

On my list of things to give a shit about, those must be last and 2nd last.

I know only one thing for sure, it wasn't that blokes last 800k.

We on the same page Mini Tycoon I'm just trying to make a point. The views from some are that moderate horses deserve to be able to earn money and that we should "dumb down" the races on offer to cater for them. This, all to "protect" the owners of these moderate animals.

Stealing an Orwellian example, then surely to protect these same owners in this Utopian environment we are attempting to create, some horses should be looked after more than others surely....

Over the Air wrote:

pirates wrote: introduce the race figure system and you can retire 90 percent of horses on the spot plus those owners will no longer want to own and the whole industry will go belly up ...lets see the likes of haddington take on other 3 time winners with classic form of level weights he will finish a furlong last

Rubbish

What you will see is horses that cannot win another race being retired or sent to lesser racing centres. Again in the long term this can only be beneficial to owners at the current training fees vs stakes scenario. Whether you like it or not Pirates, owners numbers have been decimated whilst the current MR system has been in place. I know its a lot more complex than just the MR system, but the reality is MR has not kept the majority of owners in the game, and more importantly has not stemmed the flow of owners leaving the game

thats the biggest load of rubbish iv ever read on here

Pirates sometimes in life its fine to disagree,

Maybe you can quantify why you believe that 90% of horses will retire if the Race Figure system returns with exactly the same amount of races and money on offer. Maybe 90% of your stable will retire, I assure you that wont be the case in the bigger stables

Maybe we should apply your way of thinking to every sport in the world and also all the other race countries which adopt the same system as merit ratings but call it something else should also adopt your way of thinking..sport and racing must only be for the best if you cant run in the july or play tennis at wimbledon or golf at the british open you must be thrown out ..

And for the record mr ota i dont own horses and it isnt the merit rating system that made me give up owning horses in fact thats the one thing that kept me owning horses for as long as i did