Feedback from Phumelela CEO re: Tommy's post

Greg the scary thing here is that there are some really smart people on this site and others that deal with numbers(I'm not one of them so I read their comments with intrest and sometimes difficulty). If it can be proved that nothing fishy is going on then they will prove it to people like me (arethmically challenged) - I'm open to answers - The problem I have is the under R50 a day punter does not have access to this info and all it takes is one unhappy soul to start brandishing the totes as 'cheats, robbers crooks etc' and the rest start to dout the reason for playing. If you are a small punter and you start to do the sums would you rather take a R6 lotto ticket(still a chance to win something back +_ R30 if you hit three numbers I suppose and the lure of maybe winning back big cash if you get 5-6 numbers) than back a T/f knowing you might only get an even stakes return. Added to this Phumelela allows its betting partner BETTING WORLD to flight adds saying punters can bet on the LOTTO lucky numbers with them. This again points the punter away from racing to the LOTTO. It is really time that this managment board decides if they really want the hastle of keeping local racing going because it seems as if they are trying their best to kill it(or at the very least the punting side of it)

Mr H still not put to bed and more to follow, the action to get the tote back to normal i.e. consistent payouts and fair return still has to be taken, not sure if it means removing the phantom players?

Tommy - I managed to catch the show again this morning and the "Phantom customer" that you refer to is an internet sports betting website that Mr P is reffering to (customer as in company not an individual). This is an Aussie Sports betting website that only has tote facility, no fixed odds beeting. They obviously submit as a single customer and pass winnings back to their individual customers.

I have watched the show again and will watch one more time as some of my comments are probably also slightly off the mark. Example I stated that that they did know what was happening in their business due to not knowing when comingling began. Mr GC did answer 2003. Mr P did not know however.

If anybody has a transcript of the show it may be easier to analyse and pass fair comment. We need to be accurate in what we state / reply to here or else we look foolish and cannot be taken seriously.

Dave you and all the other site owners must be lauded for your efforts but the bigger picture cannot be ignored - the internet is a tiny representation(a correct sample no doubt) of punters big and small. It is beleived that because sites have so few members and posters that it does not matter what is said because it is just a few unhappy fools behind a keyboard creating havoc. This is not the case as the sites are an indication of people that have far more access to info than most punters(see Tommy and Greg's et als posts on international tote systems)
Many old school owners/trainers and punters (I have dealt with them in the past when working for the RA) cannot work a PC and rely on the printed media and teletrack(and their trainers etc) for news. Phumelela needs to revise its public relations division asap and produce FACTUAL (not vague thumbsuck answers) media releases through Teletrack and their branches to ease the public concern before it is too late. Word of mouth can cause great harm as unfounded rumours can run rife in a tote in minutes and then the damage is done. This is not a time to hide behind corporate curtains. If the phantom punter is indeed backing these horses at the off produce evidence(no need to expose the person/persons ) but shown us a printout of the transactions that have caused this problem and the reason when this customer is wanting to 'bet to lose'.

Still the question remains..
do we want to see the truth..
the 100 % truth...

PRINT THE DATABASE LOGTAPES...

or are we hoping that we can bed this issue with some PR work...
the PR team is busy with damage control..


Reality..
I dont punt on the tote or RSA bookmakers anymore...
BETFAIR only...
R1M per month less on the pools..
many will follow..
Phumelela shareprice will drop..

to be branded a nun again...will never happen if you walk with the sluts..
Phumelela has been seen with the sluts..
no matter what is said...no one is going to believe Phumelela unless they PRINT THE LOG TAPE..

But..we cannot print the LOG tape...because everyone will see that we have full blown aids...

or do we believe Phumelela is the only company in the world that has been EXCLUDED by the hackers..

They dont want to show the log tape..
they have printed the log tape..
and have seen..they are been hacked..
now we call him a punter...

well, then it is open season for all..
download your own hacking software from www.hackers.com and hack the tote at leisure...make a few millions...
its legal...Phumelela calls you a punter then...

Scotia i believe Andrewest is on the right track,cant you insist P to print the database log tapes,and we will hopefully see the worms all over the show.

its simple, someone set up a meeting with p's IT people and a few clan members including Andrewest and let them show us proof of whats going on

This has happened previously and AW was invited as far as I Am aware.

I did ask Andre, I was the only one that could make it at the time and to be fair when I went we did not have the current massive irregularities.

Happy to try and arrange another trip send me an email and will speak to Margaret.

scotia, i will send you the email, are you in Andre? and others?

If there is to be a meeting arrange it around Andre...he knows what he wants to see.....if anyone else needs to/ wants to/can, be there so be it!

ditto Rob (i'm sure the number crunchers will confuse me with figures)