Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

  • Garrick
  • Topic Author
  • Elite Member
  • Elite Member
  • Posts: 1300
  • Thanks: 526

Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99735
Some fascinating theories emerge from the raging debate regarding 'saving horse racing'. Understandably the sensible ones are liberally peppered with some that are somewhat dubious.

One theory advanced that definitely rings true for me is this : For many/most players racing is a hobby/pastime/passion and not a career. If it goes pear shaped you go do something else. 100% correct. And, hey, this is what literally hundreds ( perhaps thousands? ) have already done. Marketing 101 will then tell you that winning back a disenchanted customer is a lot more difficult than acquiring a new one so it seems we have a problem...........

Another clan member cautions against merging all of racings' controlling bodies. Sage advice. Although there appears to be merit in the concept of having one controlling body I really do fear the establishment of yet another 'good ole South African monopoly'. If one ( or both ) of the current bodies are so reviled why are they suddenly going to turn into saviours once you gift them what little is left of the family silver?

We all ultimately preach from our own personal perspectives so I will be no different. Here's what sours everything for me :

1.) It has taken me 30+ years to realise that the underlying sport is fundamentally cruel. Why I remained oblivious to this for so long is a shame upon me. Why I still own horses for racing is another shame. How sick am I ? But there is absolutely nothing romantic or humane about incarcerating in solitary confinement animals who were born to roam the plains in social groupings. Or castrating them. Or the dozens of other unnatural things that are forced upon them.

2.) I grow tired of the corruption that is endemic to the industry. Everything from 'game playing' at the sales to the self satisfied smirks of those connections who, for the umpteenth time, had defrauded their customer base - the punter. To say nothing of the giggles and high fives from those who applaud this kind of conduct.

3.) A mind numbingly uncaring controlling body is a relatively recent development. Previously they were just rather cutely old fashioned and out of touch. Now they have become quite a lot more vicious and territorial. We now must boast a Phd inspiring level of uncaring corporate governance in this industry.

4.) Too much racing. The sport staggers uninterruptedly from one season to another. Admit it - you have to be bored.

5.) The ever widening chasm between earning potential and keep. Think about what R100,000 per annum can provide you in terms of entertainment. 100k! Yep - work it out - that's what its going to cost you on average to keep a horse with a top trainer in a leading centre when you tot up all the extras.

There are dozens of other legitimate gripes which have been more eloquently posted and which I shall not repeat here. But industry doyen Charles Faull warned me of this exact future DECADES ago based on the unsustainability of the flawed business model and now we are living with it. I would really love to say I care but staying afloat on a day to day basis in an environment where administered prices are being hiked by up to 25% per annum is a more pressing priority. I may still be around if (when?) they switch off racing's lights but frankly, my dear, I don't particularly care.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Jack Dash
  • New Member
  • New Member
  • Thanks: 0

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99757
F***!

Can't say you wrong.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Dave Scott
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 43867
  • Thanks: 3338

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99768
Thanks Garrick another good post

"For many/most players racing is a hobby/pastime/passion and not a career".

true

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • CnC 306
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 36613
  • Thanks: 7392

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99770
not too worry horsies as many a

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • zsuzsanna04
  • New Member
  • New Member
  • Thanks: 0

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99771
Hmmm, not going to argue Garrick. I am a hardened bunny hugger who grew up in a racing family. I've ranted and raved all my life against the cruelty of racing.

Unfortunately ranting and raving doesn't get you anywhere - people just decide you're a crack pot and start avoiding you. So I decided I can either sit on my butt and whinge, or I can do something to try and change things.

If you look long and hard enough, you will find people out there who are doing things a little differently and having success with it.

Monty Roberts is obviously the first one who springs to mind. His studies have found that (apart from it being unpleasant for the recipient) horses actually run more SLOWLY if they're smacked.

Staggering.

So he is currently campaigning to get whips banned in racing. Can you imagine racing horses with no whips ?! What a crazy idea ! BUT, think about it for a minute. You still end up with a first, second and third, but they may just be the horses who are naturally competitive and want to run. And imagine sending those to stud ? We'd actually be breeding horses that want to run, rather than ones that have to be beaten over the line !

Subversive stuff indeed.

And while we're discussing breeding, how about our practice of separating fillies and colts at weaning, so that they never get to socialise with the opposite sex again until they're in the breeding barn ? At which point the poor filly is trussed up like a chicken and forcibly raped by a stallion she usually doesn't even get a chance to see. And it's not just the filly one has to feel sorry for. Have you ever been to a covering? The mare has usually traveled some distance to get there, the stallion has a full book and is on a schedule, it's the middle of breeding season, so the stud staff are under pressure and in a hurry. The poor stallion is not allowed any hellos or niceties, just jerked and smacked till he jumps the mare (I mean good grief guys - it only takes about a minute anyway) and then hauled off, washed and dumped back in his stable / paddock - usually out of sight or earshot of another living thing.

And then we shake our heads and wonder why our conception rates are so low and our horses are so crazy.

Don't even get me started on some of the weaning practices. And then having grown up in a nice big field, baby is suddenly locked up in a stable, stuffed with food, groomed to within an inch of its life and packed off onto a truck to some mad sales ring. Only to be half starved afterwards to get rid of all that sales fat, broken in and sent off to training.

You're not going to convince anyone to change unless you can provide an alternative that WORKS, but there are a few folks out there trying new things.

Have a look at Horses First Racing ( www.horsesfirstracing.co.uk ). I was lucky enough to visit and what a lovely place. The horses get turned out (shock horror, race horses OUTSIDE ??? In ENGLAND ??). Guess what, they do just fine - they don't all go crazy and run themselves into the ground or try and kill each other. The barns are big and airy, horses can all see each other and some of the stables are bigger than my bedroom. Some of their horses even run BAREFOOT !! They have an arena and school their horses (obviously English horses are dumb - ours apparently walk out of the womb knowing everything, so we don't need to teach them anything, just klap them when they're being 'stupid').

A gentleman called Brian Tracy said "Between you and every goal that you wish to achieve, there is a series of obstacles, and the bigger the goal, the bigger the obstacles. Your decision to be, have and do something out of the ordinary entails facing difficulties and challenges that are out of the ordinary as well."

Yes, obviously we have logistical problems here. Space is a premium. Our training centres are small and over-crowded, our grooms are largely unskilled and woefully underpaid, we have some crazy training, feeding and management practices. The horses that stay sound and see some success on the track are not necessarily the best ones, simply the ones who are most able to adjust and cope with the crazy conditions we create for them.

But it's not just the equipment, it's the hands that hold it. There are people who manage to work around and even with these obstacles. People who don't insist on running 2 year olds. Look at Des McLachlan who has managed to keep Hear The Drums going (and winning!) at his age. You don't see that every day (the subject of another whole debate). Surely he must be doing something that others aren't ?

We as owners, breeders, etc are essentially customers and we vote with our hard earned rands. We can vote how our horses should be treated simply by choosing who looks after them for us.

It can be done better, but it will only happen when we demand it.

And racing is unfortunately not the only cruel horse sport. There are plenty of people in all other spheres of the horse world who employ abusive methods, equipment and training practices.

At least race horses have a job and are (usually) handled by people with the requisite skills and experience. The amount of times some bleeding heart 'adopts' a retired racehorse for their kid because they think they're doing it a kindness just makes my blood boil (trust me, I've been there and have the bumps and scars to prove it !!). People have fiddled about with breeding and genetics to breed a super athlete - these are not horses for novices and they need to be handled by people who know what they are doing.

I don't have all the answers. All I know is that I do the best I can by the horses I have. I study and spend time with people whose methods and ideas I like. I experiment and see what works for my horses. I currently have two 2 YO entires at a local livery. They are in their own paddock, yes, but they are in the middle of all the goings on on the farm. They are not isolated or given special treatment simply because they have balls. There are other stallions, mares, geldings and youngsters on the property and a mix of breeds and ages. My boys are not crazy and trying to cover everything with a pulse. You can talk to them in the paddock without being attacked, you can walk into their stables and fiddle with them without fear of being kicked or bitten. I love showing people how scary my THB colts aren't.

I started my racehorse filly using Monty Roberts' Join-Up methods (after studying with Kelly Marks - not just reading the book and watching the DVD). She went into training as a 3 YO and is just ready for her first race having turned 4. Her legs are clean and she is (touch wood) perfectly sound. She loads, she travels, she goes into starting stalls without a problem. She has nice manners and she does not bite or kick, so there will never be a reason for her to be mistreated by her grooms.

Will she run ? No idea. But if she doesn't, she's pretty enough and sound enough to graduate to being a riding horse.

I guess it depends on your idea of success though. To some, that's money and success. To me, I've achieved success if my horses come out of training with the same sunny temperament they had when they went in and are still fit and sound for another 10,000 km's.

What I do know, is that if I don't give a damn, no one is going to do it for me.

Change starts here.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Party Line
  • New Member
  • New Member
  • Thanks: 0

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99774
thanks zsuzsa, most sensible and interesting post i've read in ages.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Dave Scott
  • Administrator
  • Administrator
  • Posts: 43867
  • Thanks: 3338

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99775
Hi Suzsanna not sure if you have clicked the link on the bottom right of the home page "hony" you might enjoy Alans site.

txs for the post

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • zoro
  • Elite Member
  • Elite Member
  • Posts: 1970
  • Thanks: 137

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99822
Intresting article.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • rubyclipper
  • New Member
  • New Member
  • Thanks: 0

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99932
"For many/most players racing is a hobby/pastime/passion and not a career".

For me it was a career... and after 15 years of 4am mornings, 14 hour days, and no weekends (heaven forbid that we ever complained about Sunday racing) I decided to walk away.

I agree with all zsuzsanna04 says... and I broke in all our babies the Monty Roberts way, we brought in Richard Maxwell to advise and assist us, we basically practiced "enlightened horsemanship". I know that my last boss is constantly criticised for being too soft on his horses, but he really did care about the well being of his horses above everything else. I knew that in my own yard, the horses were given the best care possible...

But even if you can control what happens around you, there are still terrible things happening elsewhere. And the policy in South African racing is to hush hush anything that could be construed as being cruel or controversial.... So there are mugs out there who get away with terrible things:

Trainers starving horses because the client hasn't paid up his accounts - the said horse died, and the trainer carried on training...

Trainers getting cuaght with drug positives - racing horses with injuries masked by medication, is just plain cruel...

Trainers using cattle prodders and cattle whips to get horses int othe pens or gallop faster...

Jockeys hitting horses on their ears during a finish - they boast about this...

Grooms jerking horses mouths with the reins, punching them, sitting too far back in the saddles, smoking dagga in the racing floats, among other more terrible things, which I will not write here...

There are many more vile things that happen - I have seen things that I still cannot get my head around.

The biggest problem is the authorities have been told not to make a scene about anything in case it gets into the press and, here we go.... :"brings the good name of horse racing into disrepute"

Well I've got news for you.... the average Joe on the street, when asked about horse racing says: "Oh that bunch of crooks.... The trainers all dope their horses and the jockeys pull them up." Racing already has a bad name.

What they SHOULD be doing, is making examples of offenders. Name and shame the cuplrits - show everyone out there that you will not tolerate cruelty, and that anyone who is caught will be expelled from the sport...

I mean look at this from an overseas report, just yesterday:

Posted: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:11 PM

Three Arlington trainers suspended for drug positives

by Neil Milbert

Three trainers—Nick Canani, Mike Stidham, and Ingrid Mason—have been suspended and a total of seven horses disqualified after testing positive for etodolac, a prohibited non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory drug, in races at Arlington Park during June and July.


They actually do something about it... they name, shame and suspend people and horses.

I have left the SA racing industry behind. I will never work in the industry again, or ever own racehorses. I lived and breathed racing, now it just leaves a terribly sour taste.... and makes me very sad...

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Frodo
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 13116
  • Thanks: 3031

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99935
rubyclipper,

This is such a sad posting - can I ask, have the NHA been informed of these terrible things, and have they re-acted? If not, have you made an atempt to get these things into the public eye by contacting a publication like Noseweek (or just writing a letter to the Sporting Post?) I am not trying to critisize, I am just trying to understand how these things can be allowed to continue?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Muhtiman
  • Platinum Member
  • Platinum Member
  • Posts: 8926
  • Thanks: 1014

Re: Re: Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn........

14 years 9 months ago
#99990
....with the age of Internet and search tools of Google and my fav BING.....anyone can become a rocket scientist.....I personally would feel no shame in found using etodolac or lodine as I may be racing cart horses or jumpers that are over 6 years old....because this medication is used for arthitis and any animal with this condition should not be racing.....however this is a form of "pain killer" and these trainers may believe that their horses will not "feel" their legs and take a chance in using it....or like many of these so called drugs they "thin" the blood increasing ciculation....how idiotic....read further....they are also "beta"- blockers which may compromise the immune system.....a no win situation. The NHA is aware of most of the happenings but policing stables and floats is not easy they cannot prevent training with medication unless they have hard evidence the only way to deal with it is to catch them in the act or pick up a positive at the track.....you can medicate horses but you cannot race them on medication.....random searches and testing horses with medication will only prove that medication is present but cannot prove if horse has been "worked" while on medication.....with racing nearly every day the NHA cannot have a vet and horse identifier at a training track to test horses coming off a work out....not practical.... best to stay away from the "rocket scientists" and get more of a "softer" trainer to care for your money sapping hobby...::o

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.117 seconds