Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

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Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

14 years 9 months ago
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The response to the topic of the hour by Mr Gibson was really good and probably factual to most extent. I APPLAUD him and the rest of the team/gang/cronies/cousins for at least attempting to put an END to a MONOPOLY.

Now lets disect this monopoly and see whom it really affected? Broadly of course it affects anyone in racing but importing and exporting of horses really is for the upper echelon of "sir's" and definately for the upper echelon of thouroughbreds. After all Seeking the Sun is in no danger of getting exported with me "pulling " a move on the vat or the invoice. I suspect that MOST of the horse flesh in SA falls into a similar category. After all we are swamped with horses rated lower than 80.

BUT since Mr Gibson is fighting MONOPOLIES i ASK him 1 thing.

Surely the GREATEST monopoly screwing/affecting the majority of owners in sa, across the board involving horses rated 40-140 is the MONOPOLY that is the VETENARY systen of SA.

Come on Mr Gibson, your quest to assist owners is a noble one. I just think that saving Basil Marcus R100k in a once off transaction by chartering a different plane is a drop in the ocean compared to the extorsion being perpetrated by certain vets.

Is it NOT amazing that a vet see's 4 horses at a stable and bills 4 x transport when he saw them on the same day
Is it not amazing that an invoice is generated for a gelding operation on a filly (ask parlotone)
Is it not amazing that a VET can do what ever procedure he chooses on a horse WITHOUT the owners consent if the trainer say's "go for it" after all the owner is the one that pays
Is It not amazing that the charges across the board are so similar it looks like they were priced up by the bookmakers.

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Re: Re: Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

14 years 9 months ago
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Its well documented that 99% of vets give the rest a bad name :)
Give everything but up!

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Re: Re: Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

14 years 9 months ago
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Easy - Although I agree with much of what you say regarding vets I think that we ( as owners ) have been pretty sloppy in the way in which we manage our horses and/or allow our horses to be managed.

It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that the traditional Authority To Act - effectively a blanket Power Of Attorney insofar as my horse is concerned - no longer suits the way in which I would like my horse to be handled.

There are certain actions and services which I would like to be consulted on BEFORE they are effected :

1.) Veterinary - A tricky one which I perhaps need to further apply my mind to; but I would like to be consulted on all/any treatment where the charge will exceed R150. The other exception would be a life threatening emergency issue although I would not be offended if I were called at 3 am to be told that the yard was battling colic.....

I particularly want to eliminate the veterinay role in matters such as flu vacs and 'vitamins' where the stable cat could have administered such treatments successfully and saved me spurious charges such as travel and R 79-50 + VAT for an injection ( and that excludes the substance administered )! A quick totting up of 'travel charges' certainly confirms that most vets should be able to comfortably finance Porsche Cayennes from what they are charging at present for travel.

2.) Prohibited substances - Call me naive. Call me old fashioned. Call me both and add a***hole for good measure if it makes you feel better. But I don't want prohibited substances going into my animals AT ALL. Finis. Long term good seldom if EVER comes comes of it and treatment usually just masks a severe issue which will return to haunt both the owner and the animal.

Watching this industry play ducks and drakes with these substances is not for me. No horse flourishes from having steroids and cortisones administered. Since the arrival of the internet I have been able ( admittedly as a lay person ) to read up on substances in common use between races and they mostly have horrific and destructive long term side effects. Requiring the administration of additional drugs to mask and deal with such side effects.

If OWNERS were to intervene it would be the quickest way to reduce this abuse as a trainer whose charge tested positive AT ANY TIME ( Yes - random visits to yards please, NHRA ) would not be protected by the 'window periods' presently in use as he/she would specifically have violated the terms of the Authority To Act.

3.) Travel & Nominations - I want to be advised BEFORE my horses are entered for or travelled to out of town events. It seems of no concern to trainers that this costs the owner EXTRA at a time when money is tight. To say nothing of having the 'out of town' expenses foisted on us. And then running unplaced.

4.) It would be really nice if trainers would act FOR the owners - seeing they do have the Authority To Act for us and not themselves. Had they all refused to engage jockeys for more than the 7% they traditionally received then none of them would have had rides when they arbitrarily increased their own incomes by just under 30%; and pretty soon they would have broken ranks to comply with the status quo.

Talk about one way merchants! It was not that long ago that racing bodies had to bale the pygmies out of a financial mess they had gotten themselves into. They were very happy to be rescued then at our expense. Now, all of a sudden, they are labelling themselves as 'independent service providers' and pricing themsleves accordingly. Well - if they would like to repay the rescue money we will definitely consider treating them accordingly.

5.) I would further like my agreement to detail a rest period of at least one month per annum OUT OF THE YARD in a large, sunny, grassed paddock. It does them good.

I am sure there are other good ideas which clan members could add to this. But I feel we all need to take more responsibility for our charges.

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Re: Re: Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

14 years 9 months ago
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Well said Garrick,


If the suggested drop in price money is realised i for certain will make sure that the 7% for both the jock and trainer is stopped. Why should we still pay? A hard working jock gets what, R550 a ride now if not more? So, they can work harder and make sure they travel more and work even harder. If stakes drop there "auto comm" can also drop.

Vets are a nuisance...i didn't even get contacted when my filly got put down a year ago...just got the bill R14 000! I had a horse operated on a month ago, a price was agreed namely R9 500 all inclusive - i receive my bill - R17 800. Was it my fault they let the horse colic before the opp? For their mistakes i must cough up double!!!!!!!!!
Vets here make more than GP's!!!!!!

Why must we pay an excess of R1 000 to do name changes. I'm the owner i want to name the horse. If not why must the NHRA make a fortune out of us to change the name? Breeders pay minimum.

What does the RA actually do for us? Only the Eastern Cape RA chapter actually know i exist. They at least send photos, give courtesy calls and e-mails but up here? F...All!

The big question...WHO IS ACTUALLY RUNNING RACING...sounds more like an intertwining cesspool of selfenrichment...I honestly hope this house of cards come tumbling down so we can start from scratch...if we as owners can just for once stand together and keep all horses from racing for at least a month[ or maybe two] and see what happens then...probably never happen...

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Re: Re: Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

14 years 9 months ago
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hmm yes Radetzky, would be an interesting series of events if fed-up owners and even more fed-up punters were to lay low for a month or two....put all the horses out to pasture holidays and let the industry take a break to re-think what and who is driving this machine, and where to. Perhaps some collective sense will emerge.

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Re: Re: Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

14 years 9 months ago
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So let me understand all your frustrations, you are saying that there are infact REAL problem's facing SA racing? You are saying that Racing SA should probably do what it says on the tin and reresent SA racing. If that is the case WHY would they TARGET the import/export of horses as a priority and NOT any of the questions y'all have?

Seems like BBR Bloodstock was an irritation and it apears that they probably held a monopoly for a long time BUT how is that different from the issues raised above and HOW will we find out. Cause lets face it if Mr Roux had received payments he would have made payments and all of this would have continued.

Could the next "scandal" be when :

1: stakes cheques bounce
2: jockeys enter incorrect stalls
3: assets are sold
4: horses shorten after the race has run
5: the tote go bankrupt

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Re: Re: Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

14 years 9 months ago
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6. all of the above

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Re: Re: Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

14 years 9 months ago
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mr easy i recommend you email peter gibson at racing south africa with all your moans and groans...it seems like you blame him for all racing problems...let us know the reply to your email

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Re: Re: Stopping a Monopoly (RSA style) or NOT

14 years 9 months ago
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Racing SA as I understand, was established basically to concentrate on the improvement of export product namely local bred thouroughbreds. A relationship with BBR could have been feasable. Mr Roux did not agree he wanted to do it his way or no way at all, as he had something to hide. This forced Racing SA to look for alternatives.Racing SA inorder to do a better marketing job is preset at as many marketing oppertunities all be it to give out a few boorie rolls is trying to win over a few more international buyers to visit sunny SA and buy a few horses. Globally SA product has many a stigma attached to it through African Horse Sickness (AHS) and other parasite born afflictions. Peter Gibson has fought long and hard to revise the many protocols in trying to remove the stigma's about these health issues and in conjuction with state Vet are very slowly moving forward. Besides all of this they also had to challenge BBR whose market dominance and ludicris tariffs were never going to allow SA export product to be competitive.

So laying a complaint of a vetinary monopoly is not Racing SA,s baby.....and as Garrick has pointed out is for the owners to have more of an interest in their own horses. I also believe that an owners body like the RA is supposed to have addressed these type of issues collectively and constructively. I am not trying to be the voice of SA Racing or any other body.....I simply wanted to see that everyone involved with racing gets a fair shake and try and influence the positives.....however I see that the mountain is a lot bigger than it looked on the postcard and I may die before I even get to climb it....:S

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