Claims reported- are they genuine

I have my doubts and believe that they are used to manipulate the market. Many times I see a claimed horse shortening only to blow back to where it started 5 mins before the off.

Yesterday I had a runner at the big T. Claimed despite no stable money or stable confidence behind her after having training issues.

Last Thursday I mentioned my old horse might run a better race on this forum at a big price and almost immediately a claim is processed. This horse has not won for around 2 1/2 years.

Between false claims,front running the market high betting %'s, and horses shortening just before being scratched the bookies are imvho doing their best to drive punters away to other forms of gambling.

Hi Gajima,

If there is no money in the market early morning it only takes R100 to back a horse down to shorter odds and I believe this is sometimes done on purpose to get the sheep (us) to follow.

Do not be a sheep and make sure your analysis justifies the money claimed...

agreed gajima,too many horses shorten moments before it is announced that they have been withdrawn, as for the betting %, it is a joke. I will however state that they have improved from the 160% opening calls in pe, to about 140%. They wonder why they chase people away.

baa baa baa

Sorry about Brutus couldn`t help myself(

All claims are 100% legit. What I mean is that someone has put the money down to shorten the horse's price. However the reason why the person has claimed the horse is unknown to anyone but the claimer.

Raymond Sham will verify this. Allen Levin too.
Fav in the 1st or/and 2nd leg of the place accumulator is short...in the red....bankers in the place accumulator...
I then pick 1 or 2 longshots in the other races .....100/1 if they are priced up at that price...
claim the 100/1...the 50/1....33/1....and there is a reason for that....bigger players include these in their perms...more in the pot for me to win...straight line...
funny part...I claimed trainer Anderson's horse one day at turffontein....last race...100/1..50/1...33/1....left it out of my PA...and the horse won...
I collected the winnings on the win bet...but lost the PA paying over R500 x 1000....
caught myself....

Standing as a bookmaker I claimed many a horse when the betting opened on friday for the saturday meeting.
One was Itchy Finger. As first timer, the owner backed it with me - R66k/R2K a win and R20k/R2k a place.

I could not get any back except from Neville Soma.
The horse ran 5?
The next time the horse ran, I knew I would not get any bets back, also knowing the owner will back the horse with me again (other bookies on Turffontein lay R1k an marble arch maybe R25k), hence I claimed the horse the day before.

The owner backed it again with me R32K/R2K and a place ?
The horse ran 4?

The horse ran on the vaal sand the next time - I don't stand on the Vaal - but I claimed the horse again - the horse won!

Months later the horse ran again on the vaal sand at 40/1, I included it in a R2880 P6 and caught the single ticket P6 paying R796k - thanks to Itchy Finger at 40/1.

Another horse - paris to peking - newmarket night racing - on the jump the guys were trying to get a bet from Lional - R66k/R2k - lionel refused - closed the board - race jumped - horse lost about 10 lenghts - unplaced.

3 weeks later the horse was running at turffontein - I backed it at 16/1 with PTA bookies, Marble Arch bookies, the lot - R160K. Some bookie claimed the horse and at racetime opened at 8/1.

The same gang came for lionel again - I laid R100K at 10/1. Even laid lionel some 10/1 as the rest were on 8/1 some 7/1 and 6/1
The horse won!

One thing I have always wondered, is what determines official odds fluctuating the 20 minutes before the race. Is it similar to claims or weight of money with one bookie or several bookies. I see there are race time claims but the majorty of movement is not related to claims, who determines that a horse should shorten from 18/10 to 16/10 or drift from 18/10 to 2/1.

Claims - ask a bookies clerk to give you a list of bookmakers that make up the claims sindicate. Don't know if each province have their own syndicates or if the Natal bookmakers run it Nationally.

Bookmakers chose to be part of the claims syndicate, each choosing what percentage he wants to be responsible for.

Un raced horses R10K claim
Other R25K claim
1/2 claims?
July claims R200k

When you punt a horse for R30K with your bookie, he will stand it for little. Fist he will try an get R5K back from another bookie at a better price, call the Claims syndicate and claim (back) the horse with them for R25K. Your bookie now has made a profit before the race has run - win or lose - he made a profit

shrek Wrote:

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> One thing I have always wondered, is what
> determines official odds fluctuating the 20
> minutes before the race. Is it similar to claims
> or weight of money with one bookie or several
> bookies. I see there are race time claims but the
> majorty of movement is not related to claims, who
> determines that a horse should shorten from 18/10
> to 16/10 or drift from 18/10 to 2/1.


The race time adjustments are done by oddsmakers working for the Natal Bookmaker's Society. The adjustments are made almost exclusively based on the market that forms on Interbet. For example if a horse is 2/1 and there are bids for the horse at 5/2, the horse will be shortened to 18/10. If the runner is being offered at 3/1 or 7/2 then it will drift out.
It is important for us punters to have an Interbet a/c so that we can study the market and know when to back a horse or when to wait for it to drift.

Thanks Kabz.