Heavy night in London :S

Premier league kick off for the season is now in jeopardy as its starting up all over the country now.

oscar Wrote:

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> Eish Umlilo..thanks for that..I honestly worry
> bout all this cause its definitely the economy at
> the end of the day that causes it..jobs are
> becoming a major problem worldwide as technology
> advances..there just too many people on the
> planet..and huge gap between haves and have
> nots..we must be grateful for what we have.


Oscar my mate this has fu ck all to do with haves and have nots. these little cu nts are out every night in their Nike trainers and Ed Hardy hoodies. The need for nothing except a good kicking. This things all "started" because an ARMED thug was shot dead by police BUT now its escalated to the whole country not because they protesting about the killing but becasue they have nothing better to do. They also KNOW that the Police will be doing everything diplomaticall 1st and that under no circumstances will the army every be called in.

These little cu nts are hding behind race and poverty BUT actually this is just simple criminal behaviour.....

i would love to know how many of these "kids" have absent fathers? The need for a good whack by a male figure early in life should never be underestimated. Being poor is not an excuse to be a criminal - I do not see any banners or placards informing the world why they are behaving like drug fiends short of a fix- They have no cause except the will to enrich themselves at the expense of others. If the Police are the enemy then why not stone Police Stations and cars - What have the general public got to do with the Police? Reminds me of the school kids stealing the poor hawkers stock during their protests in the JHB CBD a few years back - Honest folk that battled to make a living were attacked by simple criminals. No sympathy for them send the dogs out!!!

Just a big laugh to the kids Watch Clip

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> i would love to know how many of these "kids" have
> absent fathers?

What worries me Hawaai is that they will be the fathers of the next generation. Once a nation (or an individual) goes slip-sliding downhill, the tendency is for them to slide faster and faster. Stopping eventually is no longer an option ... can't be done.

Putting this lot into jobs won't change them on the inside ... I'd hate to be the employer of some of these guys ... tick them off and they will burn your shop down. And give them children to bring up and what will the result be? God help us.

Yes Mav that is a worrying statement that one day "these thugs will be the fathers" how will they bring up children?

When I was young (many years ago) I was scared and respected a policeman, not sure where we went wrong, I guess we just become too soft?

The only way to fix is to "climb in", "sort them out" and get back to normality.

Give the police and the army full support and no red tape via the courts, the trouble is if a "peace maker" lifts his hand these "bastards" have far too much protection

imo

Mavourneen Wrote:

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> mr hawaii Wrote:
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> > i would love to know how many of these "kids"
> have
> > absent fathers?
>
> What worries me Hawaai is that they will be the
> fathers of the next generation. Once a nation (or
> an individual) goes slip-sliding downhill, the
> tendency is for them to slide faster and faster.
> Stopping eventually is no longer an option ...
> can't be done.
>
> Putting this lot into jobs won't change them on
> the inside ... I'd hate to be the employer of some
> of these guys ... tick them off and they will burn
> your shop down. And give them children to bring up
> and what will the result be? God help us.
My better half works in a drug rehab - almost every addict there has a problem with absent fathers(on all levels) - The first 7 years on this planet can really make or break you - I've spent the last 35 years trying to fix the first 7 - Not an excuse for bad behaviour and I OWN all the crap I've put out in my life - I wish these boys wake up before someone does that for them!

Here is a sobering statement (last paragraph) from the family of the victim (The Guardian):



Mark Duggan did not shoot at police, says IPCC

IPCC releases initial findings of ballistics tests in police shooting of Mark Duggan, whose death sparked London riots
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Jeevan Vasagar
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 9 August 2011 18.34 BST



Semone Wilson, fiancee of Mark Duggan, arrives at north London coroner's court. Photograph: Ian Nicholson/PA


Mark Duggan, whose shooting by police sparked London's riots, did not fire a shot at police officers before they killed him, the Independent Police Complaints Commission said on Tuesday.

Releasing the initial findings of ballistics tests, the police watchdog said a CO19 firearms officer fired two bullets, and that a bullet that lodged in a police radio was "consistent with being fired from a police gun".

One theory, not confirmed by the IPCC, is that the bullet became lodged in the radio from a ricochet or after passing through Duggan.

Duggan, 29, was killed last Thursday in Tottenham, north London, after armed officers stopped the minicab in which he was travelling.

The IPCC said Duggan was carrying a loaded gun, but it had no evidence that the weapon had been fired. It said tests were continuing.

The officer who fired the fatal shots has been removed from firearms duties, which is standard procedure, pending the IPCC investigation.

Officers from the Met's Operation Trident and Special Crime Directorate 11, accompanied by officers from CO19, the Met's specialist firearms command, stopped the silver Toyota Estima minicab in Ferry Lane, close to Tottenham Hale tube station, to arrest Duggan.

He was killed by a single gunshot wound to the chest, and received a second gunshot wound to his right bicep. He was pronounced dead at the scene at 6.41pm.

The IPCC's statement said the bullet lodged in the police radio was a "jacketed round". This is a police-issue bullet and is "consistent with having been fired from a [police] Heckler and Koch MP5", it said.

The non-police firearm found at the scene was a converted BBM Bruni self-loading pistol. The gun was found to have a "bulleted cartridge" in the magazine, which is being subjected to further forensic tests.

The officer whose radio was hit was taken to Homerton hospital where he was examined and discharged later that night. The minicab driver was not injured but was badly shaken by what he saw, the IPCC said. His account, as well as those of the officers, is being examined along with the forensic evidence.

The police watchdog said it was examining CCTV footage of the area, including from buses passing by at the time.

The statement said: "Our investigators will be examining recordings of radio transmissions from both police and London ambulance service, including 999 calls, with a view to tracing further witnesses. We will also be examining any intelligence and surveillance material leading up to the planning of the operation."

The IPCC commissioner Rachel Cerfontyne said: "Any concerns expressed by the wider public about a perceived lack of information from the IPCC should be considered in the context that I am only willing to share information once I have had it independently verified and once the people who are directly involved in this case – including Mr Duggan's family and community leaders – have been fully informed."

An inquest into Duggan's death was opened at north London coroner's court on Tuesday. The coroner, Andrew Walker, adjourned the hearing to 12 December and offered his sympathies to Duggan's family.

"As members of the family will know, in due course there will be an inquest touching the death of Mark Duggan and this is the first stage in that process, he said. "Of course, as well as offering our deepest sympathies, I would like to reassure members of the family that we will be working closely with Mr Duggan's family and the IPCC throughout the process."

After the hearing, the family said they were "distressed" by the rioting in the wake of his death. In a statement on their behalf, Helen Shaw, from the organisation Inquest, said: "The family want everyone to know that the disorder going on has nothing to do with finding out what has happened to Mark. They also want people to know they are deeply distressed by the disorder affecting communities across the country."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/afric...-into-force-car.html
I feel really stupid for not using this incident as a reason to upgrade my Plasma for free!

What was the late Mr Duggan's intention? Why was he carrying a gun while visiting the police? Should we have waited for the policeman to be shot and/or killed before the policeman could do anything about it?

@Mac:

'was killed last Thursday in Tottenham, north London, after armed officers stopped the minicab in which he was travelling.'

With due respects, I think it's presumptive what you are implying and even insensitive; a man has lost his life and there are questions.... not about him, but about the police actions.

He was stopped and not visiting police. For those who live in the area, due to the high violence, maybe that's the standard precaution, not necessarily against police.

I trust you will check the ff out (debates-list):

Hackney Unites put out the following message to young people in Hackney, putting events in some historical context.
www.redpepper.org.uk/a-message-to-the-youth-of-hackney/

Camila Batmanghelidjh has some useful practical knowledge and points of view to add to what we are experiencing:
tinyurl.com/3pjgj3w

Relentless stop and search and police shootings covered up are a HUGE frustration that have scarred generations of young men. Friends, now middle-aged, born and brought up in Hackney could not walk a few hundred metres at a time as kids without being stopped by police. I don't believe that has fundamentally changed, though demographics have. There are inquiries and periods of reprieve but then it's business as usual.