@eastexpo-what kak is coming over the tarry/fradd thread?

know you are speaking "logically" Rob!

what i want to now why do some jockey's have two ridding styles,i seen it time and time again,when the money is down they really ride and on other rides they just go through the motions.

savasp,I suggested a few weeks ago,using a split screen to compare rides,as you say,and if they appear to be "of a different vigour",ask for an explanation.
The benefit of stronger regulation is, it improves the perception of honesty,but also reduces the likelyhood of unfair accusations.
We definitely need more stringent regulation IMO.

rob faux Wrote:

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> savasp,I suggested a few weeks ago,using a split
> screen to compare rides,as you say,and if they
> appear to be "of a different vigour",ask for an
> explanation.
> The benefit of stronger regulation is, it improves
> the perception of honesty,but also reduces the
> likelyhood of unfair accusations.
> We definitely need more stringent regulation IMO.

That would definitely sort the rotten eggs out!

The Jockey rides between 60 seconds to 3 mins that we see(during a race) - the rest of the time the horse is in the care of the trainer and nature - sometimes i think we pay way too much attention to the jockey - Bass, De Kock, Ferraris, Millard(Terrence) etc have proved that a jockey that may not have the greatest strike rate can win if aboard a fit horse. It is also very difficult to stop a fit horse when it is going way better than the rest of the field. Their are crook rides - history proves this - but my real problem with SA horses is that many of them are racing unfit - If you've ever done any athletic training you will know that if you take a break for a weak or so you struggle for the first few days - A recent example - A mate's horse ran a good place a month ago - the filly finished off her race well - three weeks later she runs poorly and is blowing- Jockey gives her a peach ride and she has the run of the race - plain and simple she was unfit

MR HAWAAI you cannot run every horse every week or 2 weeks and if you want proof of that go work in a racing yard and see for yourself how many horses not all come out of a race...also on top of that the programme of races supplied doent give you the oppurtunity to run a horse as often as you want them to run...if your mates trainer couldnt keep his horse fit from a month from his last run then he must have either reasons for it or he clearly doesnt know what he is doing

I'm not asking to run every two weeks but the problem is that some trainers send out their horses unfit for any number of reasons - the horse runs a bad race and the jockey is blamed - Would an F1 driver be blamed if the car broke down due to a mechanical fault? He would be blamed if he crashed into another driver or missed the start etc - but I stand by what I say far too many trainers relie on their eyes and feel that science is a waste of time - The best trainers marry science with instinct - How is it possible that a trainer in the UK or Aus can race his horse with a few days between races but we are see horses being scratched because of insuffcient recovery time? The going/track condition has nothing to do with recovery time(unless the horse has been cut or injured then it would not be scratched because of recovery time). I would like to know how many owners can call up their trainer today and find out how much their horses weighs now and how much it weighed when it first came into the yard - or how much it weighed when it produced it's best run? Having spent time at the Vaal I did not see many trainers with stopwatches in their hands recording gallops and ACTUALLY keeping a record of them but if you asked any of them to tell you if a particular horse was working well they could. Working well against what? Another horse? Is that horse not perhaps working badly on that day? The clock and scales and blood etc are far more accurate to tell how FIT the horse is - Then the horse runs in a hole and the Jockey gets the blame. How many times are owners told their horse has a big chance because it's work has improved- improved from what? from 70 secs for a 1000m to 60? No it has beaten someother horse in a gallop that is a winner - Without knowing the "other" horse's regular time ffor an 800m gallop how can you compare the two.
I would like to add that no matter how fit you get a horse with limited ability it does not mean that it will beat a horse with superior ability that is perhaps only 80% fit - The problem many punters and owners have is that they think all horses are equal in ability - I ask the question if you had a horse that does 1000m in work at 62 seconds in january and races three times without a place and by july he is still recording the same time that is his ability(unless you try him over further and he is making improvment) - would you not retire him? If science was used you would then realise the horse is as fit as we can get him and he's tried his best he is part of the 90% of horses that form the battlers and should be retired.

What a brilliant post Mr H .

You make very good common sense .In a post race interview a few weeks back W Mawing the trainer mentioned how he clocked one of his runners(Louvre) in a gallop and she put up an astonishingly fast time .

he obviously uses the stopwatch . How many big coups has this stable landed?

Nobody actually answered Soodums original question? I for one was also wondering, but if there isn't an answer, then i won't lose any sleep!!.............or is the answer that he was found not guilty in HK??

Sean Tarry is on record that he told his owners to expect a great run from Aslan when he weighed the horse and found the weight was spot on - I know the post is not about training but I just feel punters blame jockeys for everything that happens when they lose - When I was punting the first person i'd blame was myself for making the incorrect choice if the horse was given a fair chance in running

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> 2. The Singapore Turf Club charged RF with "not
> riding his mount with sufficient vigour and
> determination". He pleaded guilty and was
> suspended for 3 months during 2011.
>
> Based on the above every owner, trainer, punter
> and the authorities should be concerned about RF's
> return to race riding in SA.


I wonder which country has better stipes Singapore or South Africa?

agree Rob good point - rides should be consistent so to avoid the public feeling they have been cheated - more stringent patrolling of this would curb it- maybe they should learn from Mauritius where they dont play games