david payne interview

So Dum, you are using the word "cheat" incorrectly IMO.

For example there are some trainers who hardly ever have horses win first time out. Did they cheat because their preparation hasn't taken the horse to winning fitness? Others will have 3 unraced horses in a race and only they know which is the "one". Grow up.

There is no betting on barrier trails (and no stake money) and as such they are not obligated to be run under the same rules as a race. However, they serve the purpose of proving tractability and you at least know that when a horse does race first time out it has at least had a grass gallop.

That's still better than the complete guessing game that we have to put up with in SA, IMO.

Soodum good point - luckily he will do his nuts cause he cant find the winners box lol

If winning the Singapore International falls under the ambit of "doing your nuts", then I want in on the action. At my age I don't think I'd be missing all that much.()

Oh, and the onus of proving an allegation falls on the person making it, not the one rebutting it. It's not on anybody to prove he isn't buying horses with "blood money", and in the absence of a conviction for any crimes against humanity there is no lawful reason for excluding the man from racing horses if he so wants. If a seller has any moral objections to doing business with him then by all means don't sell him a horse, but there's no legal disqualification from the man owning racehorses. Any attempt to stop him on grounds that are legally unsubstantiated could open up a whole other can of worms if he chose to make an issue of it.

I'm not by any means saying that I am a fan of his, but the reality is what it is.

Magic said: "If a seller has any moral objections to doing business with him then by all means don't sell him a horse, but there's no legal disqualification from the man owning racehorses."

Illegal is one thing and immoral is another: if a country doesn't choose to pass laws against something, then it can't be prosecuted. Then it's up to private citizens to refuse to accept or take part in something. Have a look at this link if you like ... the relevant countries are now discussing the possibility of passing laws against sale of this technology to countries deemed "totalitarian". Until they take this step however, nothing can legally be done.

From www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/20...permarket-offer.html

"The ease with which totalitarian regimes can buy western technology to intercept and store every electronic communication made by their citizens has been revealed in a joint document release by Wikileaks, the pressure group Privacy International and several media organisations."

There's several more paragraphs for those interested in the subject.

soodum Wrote:

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> Do u think that young ppl under 40,actually give a
> flying f**k about horse racing? Go to any outlet
> and all you ll see is old men putting their last
> pension cents on a bet
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> But go to a casino and you ll see throngs of young
> ppl having a bet having a laugh cos in their mind
> the casino is not filled with corrupt ppl like
> horse racing

I hate casinos because I NEVER see anyone having a laugh. Everyone is so serious and sad. However, I see lots of people laughing and cheering and supporting in the Furious, Elevation, Winners' Bar, etc, etc. and that's what I like.

I am with Mac on this one. I have not seen people smiling unless they have just won and that is not that often. Does anyone really believe that the slot machines are set in the punters favour? Not on your life. Programed to take a % out and then pay the rest out. Does not matter how much you study the machine you have to just be lucky on that day and then you can smile. Also the average age of the punter in the casino is a lot older than the average age on course as far as I have seen.

Casinos are for people who don't understand basic maths, or who don't give a sh!t.

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> I am with Mac on this one. I have not seen people
> smiling unless they have just won and that is not
> that often. Does anyone really believe that the
> slot machines are set in the punters favour? Not
> on your life. Programed to take a % out and then
> pay the rest out. Does not matter how much you
> study the machine you have to just be lucky on
> that day and then you can smile. Also the average
> age of the punter in the casino is a lot older
> than the average age on course as far as I have
> seen.

One of my clients I serviced this week was a slot machine technician for suncoast and it was interesting to hear him say the odds are +- 500000 to 1 for every big jackpot

Bad Company -
That is TRUE.
I used to import slot machines from Reno during the 1990's. Brought in about 650 of those. Flown a technician in from the USA to convert these machines from "coin and note operation" to token operation ( the only way we could operate in SA at the time).

All worked on 'Random Access Memory". The lower payout machine worked of a 32 bit stop (per reel) and the higher payout machines work of a 64 bit stop. I could strip and repair these machines. I know how they work and therefore I will will NEVER play them.

Horse racing is the way to go.

The great thing about racing or sports betting is that you can decide whether the price represents a viable bet or not. In other words, if you make a horse an even money shot and you can get 12/10, you'd probably have a bet. If you think a soccer team should be 5/10 and the best you can get is 3/10, you can opt out or cover with the draw, or whatever. In a casino, and especially with slot machines, you are 100% victim to a contraption that is programmed to be your enemy every single time you play.

Card games at least bring an element of skill into the equation, but slot machines and roulette are for the birds.