Getting around Betfair ban

maverick Wrote:

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> Titch Wrote:
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> > Mav check out this link with regards to funding
> > your account and receiving payouts from
> betfair..
> > www.moneybookers.com/ads/mastercard/
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> Betfair will not pay any excess amount (i.e more
> than you deposited) into your ewallet
> (moneybookers). Any excess has to be withdrawn via
> a bank transfer. So if you are a profitable punter
> the MB option is out


mav if you pay Betfair with your Money Booker CC they will allow you to withdraw into the card

Betfair are not a "bet only" business ,they are a betting exchange ,but they still need a licence!

Mav it may also be a good idea to speak to easy he has got a solution on how to get around it that is totally legit and 100% safe

You have problems in South Africa too ?
Seems like the only way around such problems is to have a bank account out of the country.
Then you can login using ip hider.
I don't think bf will go to the lengths of checking ip hider softwares and outmaonouver them to satisfy the whims of those who wish to have it banned.
If they do do this you can still browse the site and have someone else located in legal jurisdiction place your bets.
If the worse comes to the worse and the site is dimmed in your country, you could arrange for email service with price quotes, but that makes life complex - especially for the horse race bettors.

I 'm not dead against states becoming protectionist and I don't even think that betfair is the a to z in horse race betting, but I feel very much like someone caught in the middle of two housewives fighting over the length of their laundry lines.
But I 'm dead against prohibitionist practices when through those practices consumer rights are violated, i.e. we get phoney prices, taxed to the limit.

Betfair had organised a campaign and funded a website called right2bet.com.
They started it in September 2009, yet instead of improving it they gradually abandoned it until sometime in 2011 they closed it down. Strange.

You can still find right2bet on facebook: www.facebook.com/right2bet (it's a relic).
I have started a small facebook group myself called fairbet: www.facebook.com/fairbet (give it a like).

Fairbet says to the government, "do what you feel you must to protect the national economy but don't neglect consumer rights and fair pricing". But that's only my own interpretation of things.

My advise to right2bet and to other same minded people posting in forums was this:

The users from every country should start their own pages-bloggs and spread the good word at national level, one nation-one group. Those groups might collectively affiliate themselves to a central group, that might have been right2bet itself (but the supposed head of operations was the first to walk out !).

The way things work at the moment is thus:

Betting companies use some powerful legal firms to try and bend the strict nationalist legislations.
But the consumers of the product are basically out of the game and their voice does n't reach the top.
That's no good.

There are of course many who write in forums but in incoherent fashion.

At the same time the opposition (monopolies) have their own official websites in which they publish their drivel.

But as I said I 'm personally willing to tolerate monopolies if they pay just a little respect to me and don't slice my prices with the butterknife.

The ip hider can be used but you will still have a problem with other sa legislation...i prefer to get a friend in the uk to lay for me.

Betfair, apart from the betting site we know maintain various blogs in various languages, with news and tips for sporting events.
The did n't publish about right2bet in any of those ! They made it or helped make it in 2009 but I learned about it accidentally in 2010 (it was a chap from Belgium who wrote about something or other in another sports forum and mentioned this organization).

Some say they were afraid people might say right2bet is a betfair instrument.
That was silly talk and the truth is the bookies who support the punters are welcome and it those who do not support who are probably worthy of criticism.

Governments are extremely authoritarian and it's an atmosphere like prohibition years in the US.
We often hear from official circles arguments of the type:

if we ban betfair effectively it will give us the chance to slash prices even more at home

also

the punters are sickos

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the punters have infinite money and it falls from the ceiling in their houses

Sometimes, many times, the market proves them wrong.
The market can be pressurised and it has an elasticity as they call it. But the elasticity is not infinite.

Most punters are ignorant and rather insensitive to pricing issues.
In 2009 a proposal to introduce a 10% betting tax in Greece was made. The betting shop owners reacted to this and there was a one day strike, as the agents thought it was too heavy. But a few shops did n't follow and they did n't strike. Those shops were full of people on the day, people who had no idea what was going on ! This phenomenon justified and enhanced the taxman's view that the tax was collectible.
But the very same people after a while lose their money and their custom is lost.
You fool the people but you cannot fool the euros (rands) in their pockets. It's impossible.

I have an account that i dont use..If anyone reputable and is OK with Hibs they can use it.

I have an account in Hong Kong but because betfair is not licensed there i couldn't open an account

right2bet produced some funny videos called the renegade ref series. The renegade ref is the state monopoly and he is drawing red and yellow cards to everybody. Watch:



Very funny

Got to find a solution to this ye pollution

You can take our lives, but you will never take our freedom

I would rather be thin and free than a fat slave

I will bet what I want when I want without a drop of Kings cut. Viva bucket shops viva

If i can bet my mate across the poker table I can bet my mate across the pond. Stuff the leaches. The day I meet a thin politician is the day I trust one. Tax collection is a business nowadays and not a moral virtue. Go Google Eureka rebellion ... where Auzzies got gatvol and told them to get lost

I watched a program many moons back on how some people got around gamlings laws. I think it was in japan and they bought these tokens redeemable only at certain places. A clever way.

avanza Wrote:

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> Got to find a solution to this ye pollution
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> You can take our lives, but you will never take
> our freedom
>
> I would rather be thin and free than a fat slave
>
> I will bet what I want when I want without a drop
> of Kings cut. Viva bucket shops viva
>
> If i can bet my mate across the poker table I can
> bet my mate across the pond. Stuff the leaches.
> The day I meet a thin politician is the day I
> trust one. Tax collection is a business nowadays
> and not a moral virtue. Go Google Eureka rebellion
> ... where Auzzies got gatvol and told them to get
> lost
>
> I watched a program many moons back on how some
> people got around gamlings laws. I think it was in
> japan and they bought these tokens redeemable only
> at certain places. A clever way.


Most people stay away and prefer to sleep over it.
Some twenty years ago a silly law was passed ordering night clubs to close at 2.00 am (I 'm not a night club goer but it was a silly law).
Demonstrations started and some famous catchy tunes were also created on account of that. Soon that law became history.
Obviusly what happened was the night club owners organized the protest and them night club owners are guys with some money of course to get such things going.
I 'm not going to talk about the more serious and more frequent national protest movements relating to industrial issues (those are big battalions) and attempt a comparison with those.
I just think if there was a minimum of collective conscience, the prohibitionists and in general those legislators who violate consumer rights related to gambling, would n't last more than 4 hours.

Somehow all this above mentiond circus works against the gambling industry rather than serves it in any way.
It's true I have n't seen many people prepared to protest for these things.
In internet forums I have come across some but in real life maybe less than 5.
But the public participate less and less and less. That's a fact.