Is there anybody out there?

Looking at what the forum has written over the years, i am left hugely disappointed that nothing has been done or has been completely ignored by the- powers- that be at Tellytrack or Phumelela.Does it mean that those people are not open to criticism or just they think they have the best vision which by all accounts is at question at the moment.Is there anybody out there?

The "powers" think the sole purpose of this forum is to bring them down and remove them from their positions.
If they follow the advice on the forum will mean that they were wrong and they will never admit that that any thing they do is wrong.
They believe that "everything they do is for the "betterment" of the sport and as long as the idea is from with in their "icicle" it must be a good idea because they are Mr/Mrs "know it all"

Let me give an example I will not mention names.
I was at a function a few years back and shared a table with some individuals from P and we were discussing the exotics bets and were discussing the Jackpot and how the popularity of the bet has gone down and I told them the only way to create new interest in the JP was to take away the couplings everybody agreed that that was a brilliant idea and that thy will look into it the rest is history.....

When it was launched it was all a certain gentleman's @ P's idea !

The suggestion to bring back the .10cent Pick Six will fall on deaf ears because bigger pools= less winnings?
As an alternative, why don't they consider a .10cent Superfecta bet on every race for pete's sake.It won't interfere with the Pick Six and it challenges the punter to tip right thru to six places.

The superfecta is a damn difficult bet and to have one on every race would attract miniscule pools just take a look at the pick 3 , i would take p3 's like its going outa fashion but i don't cause the pools are to small . A superfaecta like in the past offered on the main event of the card would maybe work or a maxipool superfecta .

Mike did you know that in hong kong there is a bet called triple trio and if i'm not mistaken you need to predict the trifecta in 3 consecutive races . I'd love to go racing in Hong Kong their tote makes ours look like shit !

What should be done with the Superfecta is to roll-over the pool to every race if not won like they used to do with other carry-overs in the past.Let there be interest in the totes by the presenter in the studio informing the public that amount of Rxxxxx c/o to next race etc.

Once a substantial pool is gathered there's sure to create interest because it's a difficult bet and at .10 cent per line min R2-00 it's not too far from those "Queen of the Nile" slots that sit in the totes nowdays, yet could yield better dividends.

Just my 2 cents thoughts.

I don't get 10 cent pick sixes or 10 cent superfectas??? I thought fractional betting took care of that nonsense?

The Pick Six, Quartet and Superfecta units of betting were -10cents a few years ago, as opposed to R1.00 now.
So for example your perm of 5x4x5x4x5x10 =20000 comb @ R1.00 will cost R20,000- full bet
Same perm 20000 comb @ -10cent unit will cost R2000- full bet.

In scenarios where ther are rough results it is possible to scoop the pool or get a decent slice of the pool with a smaller stake.
The operators must realise the more winnings, the more incentive for punters to play repeats.

Tommy_Hotspur Wrote:

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> I don't get 10 cent pick sixes or 10 cent
> superfectas??? I thought fractional betting took
> care of that nonsense?


surely it does??

Boys, Girls and others.

IMO fractional betting does take care of the 10 cent unit. One can now even take a one % line, which is non sensical IMO. I would suggest that the minimum % should be capped at 10%. As posted on another thread my concern is that the payouts were in comparison in the past much larger with the 10 cent line than at present. By capping the fraction at 10% just see what would happen to the payouts and consequently the punters chasing these dividends with the resultant increase in Pool sizes.

Talking about different exoctic bets what about the Bi-Pot i.e, first or second in 6 races. Many moons ago this was only a Vaal bet, why not bring it back at all meeetings. Better still with todays technolgy and a NATIONAL TOTE why not a Bi-Pot on any 6 Races of ur choice even if it has to be on the same day. Then why not do the same with the Jackpot and P6, just imagine what the pools would be if the punter had a decision of where to invest their hard earned cash instead of being dictated to on specific races for these Exoctics.

Only my thoughts on increasing participation and luring new punters. IMVHO the days of dictactorship are in the past, both at the work place and in ones leisure activities.

You can't choose specific races for bi pots . They need to be predetermined by the operators in order to bet into a pool .

I think the bi pot is a very good idea ! With fractional betting it would be available to any size punter .

If I were the operators i would do a bi weekly bi pot to start with . I would offer the bet on say a weekend meeting and a midweek meeting to start of . I would make a change to it though i would stretch the bet to 7 or 8 races say the last 7 or 8 races on the card . If that is not a draw card then what is ?

The QUINPOT was 5 legs 1st or 2nd and started @ the same time as the PICK6.
IMO it was the best bet available
We travelled by bus to Milnerton or Kenilworth and if you lost on the early races,
you still could have a live ticket on the Qpot, if it won,you could play the last race

Imagine how it was, those days if you went broke by the 5th race, you had to wait until 30 mins.after the last race
for the bus to leave...you sometimes had 2.5 hrs with nothing to do but wait!
I have no idea why,but when the P6 picked up,they canned my favourite bet

Come to think of it, I never liked the PA because it paid so little!
How that has changed!:S

Hello Solotrama

I do not agree that one cannot choose specific races to include in any exoctic bet with the Technology available today.

Just because historically races are pre determined for thr various exoctic bet types does not mean that this cannot be changed. A simple solution is having a cut off time when the first local Race is run. IMVHO this will also level the playing field where a stable ankers one or two of their runners with suspect colateral form

My point is that the powers that be need to utilise todays Technology to give the average punter the oppurtunaety to bet on any of his choices in the exoctics from Race 1 thru to the last Race at what ever local Race Cource on the same day.

Betting turnover has decreased in real terms so thinking MUST be 'out of the box' to grow our sport.