bet365 refuses to pay punter in Australia

soodum Wrote:

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> hibernia Wrote:
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> > You can do many things to stop a dog,feed
> them,egg
> > their skins,cotton wool in their ears so they
> miss
> > the break vaseline their eyes etc etc
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> You taking the piss or you serious about those
> methods used to stop dogs?


Thats the safe way ()

WE Don't get compensated after horse was found positve so pay up

JAMES BLOND Wrote:

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> question; I know nothing about dog racing how do
> you get a dog not to chase?
> I mean his instinct is to go full out once the
> gate open or are their also "tricks" that you can
> do that your dog is not going full out or not a
> trier?


Some of the things here that have happened here in Aus to stop dogs getting beaten have been really ingenious --- some years ago a bookmaker organized for a tunnel to be dug under the boxes and had someone in there pulling the favourite by the tail at the start. Google in ICAC NSW steward greyhound, and read about the skullduggery that happened there -- makes great reading.

That's a disgrace.
Pay first, then use the law if you think you were set up.
The national legislations are to blame for this and no one else.
How can I possibly suffer a penalty i.e. payment refused, without the legal decision or before a legal decision.

If those stories about dogs not chasing have any substance that is.

If we take forward those practices to society, then any county police officer has the right to lock me up, just because he fancies to do that. A court hearing to justify my imprsionment ? Maybe after five years, maybe never !

bet365 took a $5000 bet on a small time dog race -- there is no question that they have to pay.
It is then up to the stewards to establish whether there was a link between the punter and where the dogs were kennelled, and whether the two dogs in question were given some treatment to stop them being competitive in the race.

Found my Lucky Jim story on the Forum.


The year was 1972 in a small village in Scotland near Edinburgh called
Loanhead, or to the locals, " Loanheed".
We were planning a raid on a nearby village, Wallyford. They had a greyhound
track and a few bookies, and we had a greyhound called " Lucky Jim" who
could run a bit and we were planning a betting coup.
The background to greyhound racing can be a bit devious. The first thing you
have to do when you have a good dog, is make it look bad!
This involves entering it into races and making sure it runs badly. The best
way to do this is, with no exercise and excessive eating of pies, not for
the owner, but for the dog! This can lead to problems, as one night we gave
Lucky Jim so many pies, he threw up in the motor {so beware}. The other easy
way, is to stand on its foot as you place it in the trap.
After a few bad races Lucky Jim was getting a better handicap mark, what
this means is, that it gets yards start from the other dogs.
We had eventually got it of the maximum start of 12yards in the No 6 box, on
the rails and close to the hare.
The next stage was to get him fit, which entailed he was given a brisk walk
morning and night the week before the race, and fed fillet steak, while the
owners fed on the pies. The final plan is the night before the race you give
the dog a "kill" This requires you go to the local pet shop and purchase a
nice furry rabbit, that looks just like the hare, that the dog will be
chasing the following night. So everything was in place, The job of
purchasing the rabbit was given to the youngest member of the syndicate.
After about an hour he returned to join the other syndicate members, who
were plotting our betting coup, in the grounds of the Loanhead Primary
school, this is where the kill would take place, as soon as it went dark.
What happened next was the terrible news, that the pet shop had ran out of
rabbits. However the young lad had used his discretion and bought a kitten!
After he was slagged to death by the others, it was suggested , what's the
difference to the dog? After a quick committee meeting in the bushes,
nothing was going to stop our "coup".
So the kitten was placed in a bag and rubbed against the dogs ear , the
theory of a "kill " is to let the rabbit slowly out the bag and the dog
sinks its teeth in the rabbit to taste the blood, he is pulled away and when
he sees the hare the following night, he will travel faster than ever to
catch it?
This was the theory, what happened in reality was something from " the Texas
chainsaw massacre" with screams, blood and total panic, which resulted in a
healthy pussy and a dog with a missing eye, after a rush to the vet.
The story does not end here, as we would not be denied our betting coup. We
got " Lucky Jim " patched up and did consider changing his name? especially
after he had lost an eye out of the deal?
It took about 6 weeks to be ready again, this time we put the money down,
the traps opened and Lucky Jim was 10 lengths clear at the first bend, the
only trouble is that he didn't go round the bend, he ran straight and ended
up hitting the grandstand.
There is no moral to this story, because its true, but I can only say we
shouldn't be greedy or cruel to animals, but most important remember to
check which eye is missing.

scotia

kosbar Wrote:

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> bet365 took a $5000 bet on a small time dog race
> -- there is no question that they have to pay.
> It is then up to the stewards to establish whether
> there was a link between the punter and where the
> dogs were kennelled, and whether the two dogs in
> question were given some treatment to stop them
> being competitive in the race.


Payments were not stopped I presume, other than the big one in question.
From the story it is unclear whether Brunker's account was momentarily credited with the 70,000 US dollars and then the monies were taken away, or whether it was never credited at all by bet 365.
However questions about the integrity of the race were brought up some time after the race (minutes ? hours ?).
While races are seldom declared void, that sort of thing happens every other day.

I support using the full weight of the law against the mischief makers.
Something like that happened once and we went to tv channel and the horse racing director promised to come as well to talk about it. I dated the journalist in a local expo building and waited there. When he came he said "the director cancelled it, the entire program is cancelled, finito ...".
Why ? The tote pays anyone indiscriminately and the supremos were more interested in the cover up.
It was the exact opposite of the bet365 story in other words !

But, it is likewise theft to refuse payment, without proof of foul play and only the national courts can be accepted to decide on such matters. Who else ? Tom, Dick and Harry ? If so, forget about the state of justice and law and order.

To go a bit further with my story about the tv program that was cancelled it, I made a report to the ministry of public order about it. Some hearings were arranged as a result, but the entire issue was buried.
I believe the various journalists who were involved and were playing the part of Jeanne D' Arc initially, ate their words big time when appeared in those hearings. The minutes must be somewhere. I don't have them but I 'd like to get hold of them some day, to have a few laughs.
It's a heads I win tails you lose situation, allover.

I started a facebook group to gather some attention on such matters:

www.facebook.com/fairbet