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A M Fisher, trainer of Sword Dancer (1970's)
A Fisher, jockey aboard GLOLITE (1936)
and Neville Fisher, trainer of KEEN SMARTLY (2008)
are they related? and if so, how?
anyone know or know of someone who would>?

Also,

Fred Rickaby, trainer of SAVONAROLA (1962)
and
J Rickaby, trainer of WILD DAYRELL (1852)
related?

Don Wrote:

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> Any clanners available to help me make a link
> please?
> A M Fisher, trainer of Sword Dancer (1970's)
> A Fisher, jockey aboard GLOLITE (1936)
> and Neville Fisher, trainer of KEEN SMARTLY
> (2008)
> are they related? and if so, how?
> anyone know or know of someone who would>?

Athol Fisher and Neville not related

thanks Titch

From countrymember he couldnt post as the original text contained swedish

> dont know if these help?......:S...........It
> appears J Ricaby was related if one reads
> below.......

FRED Rickaby, former top
> apprentice, jump jockey and trainer has died at
> the age of 93.A member of one of racing's
> most prominent families and one-time work rider
> for the great Derby winner Hyperion, Mr Rickaby
> died on Sunday in hospital at Boston in
> Lincolnshire, where he had been living for the
> past six years after moving there from
> Moulton.He was born in Newmarket the elder
> brother of Bill Rickaby, also a distinguished
> jockey.His father Fred and grandfather, also
> named Fred, were both Classic winning jockeys and
> his aunt was Iris Piggott, mother of another great
> champion, Lester.Mr Rickaby was champion
> apprentice in 1931 and again the following season
> but he grew too heavy to continue his career on
> the Flat and started to ride over jumps after a
> short spell as pupil assistant to Lord Derby's
> trainer Colledge Leader.During the war years
> he served with the RAF as a pilot and after the
> war resumed his career as a jump jockey until he
> emigrated to South Africa in 1947.He started
> training, first in the Transvaal and later in
> Durban and became one of the country's leading
> trainers.John Gorton, who later became a
> Classic winning jockey in Britain was one of his
> apprentices and Michael 'Muis' Roberts became
> his datble jockey in 1973. Together they
> enjoyed three years of outstanding success,
> highlighted by Sledgehammer, the best horse Mr
> Rickaby ever trained.He was champion trainer
> in 1975-76 before he retired two years
> later.Mr Rickaby returned to Britain in 1986
> and lived with his partner Pam Griggs who died
> four years ago.Newmarket trainer John Berry, a
> close friend of Mr Rickaby said: "Fred was an
> absolute genius with horses . He knew everything
> there was to know about a horse's muscles and how
> to treat them."In 1934 he rode Hyperion in a
> lot of his work although he never rode him on a
> racecourse," he said.Taken from another
> source...........Wild Dayrell, born in
> 1852 out of Ion and Ellen Middleton, was owned
> jointly by Mr F L Popham, the owner of Littlecote
> House and William Craven (1809-1866), the second
> Earl. Horse racing was an occasional hobby for the
> Earl and one which he did not make public
> knowledge. He had previously had a Grand National
> winner with Charity in 1841 but Lord
> Cravens name is not mentioned as the owner
> of Wild Dayrell in the official Derby records and
> it is very possible that he did not even attend
> the race.As a colt, Wild Dayrell was
> trained by the Littlecote gardener/groom Fred
> Rickaby in the grounds and later on Weathercock
> Hill opposite the Craven family home at Ashdown
> House. The trainer Rickaby was the great, great
> grandfather of the renowned champion jockey Lester
> Piggott. The jockey for the Derby was
> Robert Sherwood and ran the race in two minutes
> fifty-four seconds. Wild Dayrell later sired
> Buccaneer with the mare Little Red Rover and
> Buccaneer won the Royal Hunt Cup at Ascot.' AND
> datestamp > 1349425517

thanks! most helpfull!!

Don Wrote:

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> Also,
>
> Fred Rickaby, trainer of SAVONAROLA (1962)
> and
> J Rickaby, trainer of WILD DAYRELL (1852)
> related?

I always fancied the progeny of Savonarola(tu)

Yes Pirho , it is a fiiting testament to Savonarola that although he didn't set the tracks alight, his most famous son Furious has become immortalised by having the Furious Room at Turffontein named after him, joining the greats like Elevation.

Don you just rolled back the clock for me, my old man part owned Sword Dancer, and thats how I got into this game. although I was too young to remember, growing up he recounted the stories to me all the time, he raced under the lamp cause he never wanted his old man to know he owned but he must have been the only one as everyone else to this day still talk about how passionate he was for racing, guess its in the blood!

Merchants , Cape Derby and Queens Plate now that's versatile.

Would it be right to assume he won graded races at 2 ( Langerman), 3 ( Cape& KZN Derby), and 4 yrs old (Q.Plate)

When Sword Dancer won the Queens Plate he beat another super star in Sentinal I backed the 2nd horse but SD was a convincing winner...