The Best Sire in South Africa

TBF Easy there is no business on the planet that advertise failures,and in time the breeders can`t hide the failures tbh

Hibs

BUT these guys actually DO advertise their failures, its just that people dont read the adverts negatively but choose to see a positive.

For me an advert saying that sales figures are UP is a failure, because everything else is down

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> > The breeding world has worked like that since
> the
> > inception of The Stud Book, Muhti, you know
> > that!!! The owner of the stallion has every
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> > to choose which mares their stuallion covers.
> > Can't see a problem with that. It's the same in
> > the Sport Horse, and pedigree dog breeding
> worlds.
> > With limited numbers, I think it is good
> business
> > to choose the best possible mares for your
> > stallion. improves his stud record, which
> > consequently improves his value, and obviously
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> > stud fee and potential earnings.
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> Thanks Ruby I know how it works but had to post so
> that others get to know too.... Besides if I were
> in a similar position managing a decent stallion
> I'd do the same....besides the 2 mares that one
> owner wanted to have covered we not at all
> genetically suitable

Thanks Muhti, appreciated(tu)

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> > > Stronghold seems to be
> > > Producing decent sorts.
> > > Tho haven't seen anything
> > > With graded potential
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> > also think stronghold will be top
> stallion.....a
> > lot of winners and first time winners
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> Not possible.... Stronghold is pushing up Daisies
> pretty hard to become a Champion with only 3 crops
> on the ground.....yikes man this is like tipping a
> scratching to win a race....

Not the best.. like i said, a top stallion.....remember stallions like Jan Ekels and recently Victory Moon that only have a few crops.......proved they are top top class....

Jan Ekels....:.....Ziets I thought you were new to the game that old oke was dead and buried before I finished high school some 35 years ago....but you are correct he was an under utilized son of Derring-Do and only had 3 small crops.... he was the sire of Anytime Baby , Rotterdam, Smart As Paint and Serena...Now we know you can look into the past.....but which of Strongholds progeny are going to make it as big as any of the Jan Ekels progeny mentioned above....

Muhtiman Wrote:

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> Jan Ekels....:.....Ziets I thought you were new
> to the game that old oke was dead and buried
> before I finished high school some 35 years
> ago....but you are correct he was an under
> utilized son of Derring-Do and only had 3 small
> crops.... he was the sire of Anytime Baby ,
> Rotterdam, Smart As Paint and Serena...Now we know
> you can look into the past.....but which of
> Strongholds progeny are going to make it as big as
> any of the Jan Ekels progeny mentioned above....

I knew Jan Ekels through Rotterdam who was the sire of our best ever horse in bushracing,Harbour Patrol,he won 4 races on the turf and we bought him for the bush.....and he won 57 races out of 59 in the bush for my dad and his partner....i can just imagine if the vaal sand was already build that days....
back to stronghold,i just think if you have so many winners from runners in your first crop then their is a bright future ahead...

If I may ask, what is bush racing?

many years ago bush racing was popular

then brazillian racing became the norm

the phumelela took over and everything was shaved and scraped leaving us with todays racing

lol @easy

As Muhti perhaps didn't make all that clear, Stronghold died as an 8 year old in 2010, so he'll only have two crops to race (2009 and 2010 foals).

Also, I only count around 10 winners from his first 28 or so runners, from a quick look through Formgrids.

HARBOUR PATROL....for farksake... I am getting old. I remember that one : ....

Best sire ever - Model Man lol (died in 2005)
2nd best sire ever - Elliodor (Model Man's father)
The best sire since Model Man - Jet Master