Maybe its time to speak up about Untrusted/unfaithful trainers

Zietsman Oosthuizen Wrote:

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> this is directed to every single Pe and Kimberley
> trainers ,except Tara and Dorrie,they will give
> you a headsup on fancies and know whats actually
> going on in their respective
> stables.............................that place
> flambingo ,arssholingtin and Unfairview is no
> place to punt per race,not even the trainers know
> if their horses have winning chances or if the
> trainer tells you this is unbeatable you can put a
> line through......farking skelms,and one of them
> was today at Kimberley,telling 2 different owners
> in his stable 2 different stories about the horses
> chances,losing with all 3 bankers and winning with
> 2 that he only gave a small place chance to the
> one owner and selected both first for the other
> owner with other selections to follow.....ripping
> of some owners and lots of punters......would like
> to know how much profit some trainers make by
> putting owners and trainers on certain selections
> just to come win with the "unfancied but backed at
> long odds or after it drifted just before race
> time" selections.....i dont talk from my
> pocket....i talk facts....want me to give names?
>
>
>
> How many times did some owners get rolled over by
> untrusted trainers.......is it not time to speak
> up about them if we have the prove and facts?
>
> then they can come explain also here on the forum
> their side if they are innocent or their side if
> they really want to clear their bad reputation
> ......


I smell shite

PE horses have done very well when they go out of province and Gavin Smith proved that yet again the other day in Capetown and lets not forget that an unraced Kimberley "throw out" won a graded race in Jhb..... blaming courses or trainers or "bad luck" people etc is an old gamblers trait when the only common denominator in all our hard luck stories is ourselves...

Somebody should tell ZO that he is not the champion punter he thinks he is.

I make heinrich words my own.

I have always enjoyed ZO's comments,but I now think he is going too far.

Aaargh ! Help what now? Sorry guys I have been around this game a long time as an owner and mostly as a punter and believe it or not as an official as well. Im with Heinrich on this one. I just hope for everyone's sake the facts are really there and are indisputable otherwise it's going to get ugly. If you really are in doubt about this game then surely there must be something else to gamble on. Soccer could be good! I mean let's be honest nobody in charge of soccer in this country would try and fix a match??? Or maybe cricket would be a good idea hmmm, Im lost with this but hey everyone's entitled to an opinion I think it's. Bloody crazy.

Unless you have horses in every stable how do you know they taking their owners on. 2 nd or 3rd hand hearsay will make you question everything in racing when you have a bad day; ..

Bottom line if you have indisputable proof then by all means speak up, if not then this thread should not have even been started in the first place, people should stop regarding the site as a dumping ground to vent their anger after yet another bad day at the office... ultimately these bull sh1t accusations will lead to the demise of a great site and sadly orchestrated by the bare minority who will just move on and probably not even know its gone...

if i must send you the sms to the one owner , and tell you about the other huge owner from the same stable telephone conversation with the trainer ....you will also see the shit.....jy sal n visserman wees wat nie die regte een vang nie

and wiesai ou in Pe wat my wou laat perde lease "straight from our Champion trainer" according to him.......en toe antwoord hy my tot vandag toe nie terug toe ek wil weet hkm hy vertel die perde is van mike af en al die tyd is die drie donkeys StPetersburg foals from hill stable ....?


You will also think its Millertime if i tell you the story when we had horses in a stable in kimberley.....tipping 3 oncourse owners a different horse in same race......you will jump of a cliff if i must tell you

I am with Titch I would love to see what facts ZO has, it looks like ratings after a bad day. I this was Poker, I would call and want to see ZO hand.

ZO my maat jy praat nou kak....you told us the same story before that Cliffy told all 3 owners a diff horse in the same race in the parade ring..can you explain how he did this without the others hearing??? come on now dont treat us like imbeciles and your source that tells you that the HUGE owner got a phone call to say he can put his head down in the first is also talking kak...your "facts" are completely off the mark so best you dont post them here...if you have a prob and are so sure about your "facts" then give the Jockey Club a call (011) 683 9283 and let them follow up on it...this is not the place for conjecture or off loading of steam, you gotta learn to loose like a man and win like a human being...

This is unfu&$/@ ing believable !!! What happened or where is what's his name again ? I think it was Andre east west or something like that. This is a joke it has to be!!!

I try my best but now I dont keep quiet.

ziets I think you have the big problem. this problem is call vanity. always you bull shit you want to be centre of attention. so you the big messiah you can be tell nothing of racing. well my boy when you still in the nappie I here these story many time it is oldest trick in the book. you think this only happen in PE or Kimberley? wise up sonny. some trainers here in Joburg they cant count to 100 in the old day it seem many people own half the horse and surprise this horse never run... if you have the balls put the rubbish so you can go explain what you meen in the jockey club. you are a shit punter now you loose so every thing must be crooked what the joke.

now let me ask some more question about this forum and the way they can be impartial before I go again. robert blumberg say on 239 it is the disgrace that blueridge mountain show the trainer as alexander when joey is training horse for 2 months. not the word I here from this forum. if harry say this asheley will come running screaming and shout about the story. blumberg say alexander dont have the winner for 15 year in the cape and this stick the punters out who rightly have the look and say this is the shit trainer we back another horse rather and get roll over. harry say this he gets abuse from the peanuts well you guys loose out not me

Ele Re Flash please stay bud I really missed your posts and all of them were based on facts and no bullshit..keep posting malaka