Clairwood Park 17 Mar 2013, Sun

Wouter Wrote:

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> OTT Wrote:
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> > My 2c worth...
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> > I do agree that the starter was at fault....
> > However what about the jockey! Surely, as a
> > professional with many years experience, he
> should
> > know the rules regarding the starting stalls
> and
> > false starts. Every single person in F1 knows
> the
> > pit lane rules. Surely every jockey in this
> > country is coached in starting stall issues! If
> > not, why not!
> >
> > The real losers yesterday were those who were
> > running in the exotics when the meeting was
> > cancelled. My R300 PA returned R105. Am sure
> there
> > are many who suffered similar fates with their
> P6
> > and J/P.
> >
> > Well done to the bookies who realised some good
> PR
> > outweighs a few $$$.
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> And every other professional sportsman! you play
> to the whistle / siren, once that goes then you
> stop or else you will get hit with a cheap shot,
> as Craig Eudey said, if you were offside, got the
> ball scored a try / goal, would you not claim it?
> if it was not called... somethings are fine to get
> away with human error, but the starting stall not
> opening on terms is blatant, to blame the jock is
> a joke and the person who thought of this is
> really narrow minded

WHY A JOKE? If he knew the rules he would have pulled up knowing he would not be penalised! The jockey IS also at fault and you cannot escape that reality.
Wouter, if you want to hide behind ignorance, that's your problem.

OTT Wrote:

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> Wouter Wrote:
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> > OTT Wrote:
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> > > My 2c worth...
> > >
> > > I do agree that the starter was at fault....
> > > However what about the jockey! Surely, as a
> > > professional with many years experience, he
> > should
> > > know the rules regarding the starting stalls
> > and
> > > false starts. Every single person in F1 knows
> > the
> > > pit lane rules. Surely every jockey in this
> > > country is coached in starting stall issues!
> If
> > > not, why not!
> > >
> > > The real losers yesterday were those who were
> > > running in the exotics when the meeting was
> > > cancelled. My R300 PA returned R105. Am sure
> > there
> > > are many who suffered similar fates with
> their
> > P6
> > > and J/P.
> > >
> > > Well done to the bookies who realised some
> good
> > PR
> > > outweighs a few $$$.
> >
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> >
> > And every other professional sportsman! you
> play
> > to the whistle / siren, once that goes then you
> > stop or else you will get hit with a cheap
> shot,
> > as Craig Eudey said, if you were offside, got
> the
> > ball scored a try / goal, would you not claim
> it?
> > if it was not called... somethings are fine to
> get
> > away with human error, but the starting stall
> not
> > opening on terms is blatant, to blame the jock
> is
> > a joke and the person who thought of this is
> > really narrow minded
>
> WHY A JOKE? If he knew the rules he would have
> pulled up knowing he would not be penalised! The
> jockey IS also at fault and you cannot escape that
> reality.
> Wouter, if you want to hide behind ignorance,
> that's your problem.

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The fact is that the jockey needs to give his mount every possible chance of winning... the fact that there was no siren to call the race to come to a halt means that he was in his right to carry on - I am no jockey, but I'm sure a jockey is more focused on how his mount comes out of the gates than the others, I'm sure jockeys do not watch all the stalls but concentrate on his stall, and once his horse jumped then they check and I'm sure they noticed that MS did not jump on terms so they were looking to see what had transpired... NO SIREN MEANS RACE ON! I would like to get Chippy's view on what a jockey thinks and does at the start, does he check all other stalls open before he takes off etc...

Simply put, we have a culture of hiding behind ignorance in this country. When the shit hits the fan, it's eish, I didn't know! The fact that Anton Marcus looked around as well (whilst in the lead) indicates he knew something was wrong. I do accept that in rugby and soccer they play to the whistle. How do we know that Forbes did not know exactly what the rules were but decided to carry on as he believed he could win.

An all-round Fcuk up

OTT Wrote:

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> Simply put, we have a culture of hiding behind
> ignorance in this country. When the shit hits the
> fan, it's eish, I didn't know! The fact that Anton
> Marcus looked around as well (whilst in the lead)
> indicates he knew something was wrong. I do accept
> that in rugby and soccer they play to the whistle.
> How do we know that Forbes did not know exactly
> what the rules were but decided to carry on as he
> believed he could win.
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> An all-round Fcuk up

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Bwahahaha if you are referring to me as the ignorant one...

if Forbes didnt ride out his mount in the end, his mount would of been scratched, then the R12000-00 stake money he obtained (for finishing 3rd with being faulted) would be R0-00 and the owner would take the R12000-00 over the R0-00 in the end... (though I'm sure he would ultimately want a re-run on March 24th with races 7-9) Forbes also realised that the starter was not going to call the race a false start that is why he rode his horse out in the end... so do you pull up your horse and give it no chance or push it and give it some sort of chance?

Dude, maybe they didn't even realise that the gates did not open, and they were all looking around to see who is placed where etc, to gauge their runs going into the final 400m... To even think Marcus is to be blamed is funny, I can recall it went the other way the once where it was a false start and he rode his horse out, they had to scratch his mount as he was spent up... why not blame the second place jock too, for not allowing MS to win due to what transpired...

It is definitely not an all round Fcuk up as you say, but the Fcuk up of the starter, who needs to be held accountable...
The only person to be blamed in this instance is the starter, for not calling it a false start... I had no money down so I'm not talking from the pocket...

BOTTOM LINE - STARTER = FAULT

Wouter - pls read what I posted. All said is Anton looked around! I also stated in my 1st post in the 1st line that I believed the starter was at fault.

As a punter I am used to being fcuked over.

OTT Wrote:

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> Wouter - pls read what I posted. All said is Anton
> looked around! I also stated in my 1st post in the
> 1st line that I believed the starter was at
> fault.
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> As a punter I am used to being fcuked over.

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I did, read it, and you said, However, what about the jockeys.... thats where I say you cannot blame the jock...
Dont tell me to read the posts when you off the ball and trying to make me out like an idiot...
like I cant read or something...

My 2c worth...
> > >
> > > I do agree that the starter was at fault....
> > > However what about the jockey! Surely, as a
> > > professional with many years experience, he
> > should
> > > know the rules regarding the starting stalls
> > and
> > > false starts. Every single person in F1 knows
> > the
> > > pit lane rules. Surely every jockey in this
> > > country is coached in starting stall issues!
> If
> > > not, why not!

Read again what you were babbling on before you say I must read the posts, when clearly you not too sure what you have posted... please put some thought into your posts...

If I get reported to the mods well then... :)o

Wish Chippy / Rocky or any other jock can comment on what happens at the stalls...

Over this topic now... GC and P won't be getting a dime from me for years to come...

Maybe the starter needs gelding to keep his mind on the job. <

Guys please explain to me where GC or Phumelela come into it or why it is there fault?:S The rules adhered to were from the NHRA and nothing to do with them.

OTT Wrote:

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> Wouter - pls read what I posted. All said is Anton
> looked around! I also stated in my 1st post in the
> 1st line that I believed the starter was at
> fault.
>
> As a punter I am used to being fcuked over.

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OTT - please read the second liner wrt to the jockey statement, and that's what I am harping on about, you cannot for one second think that the jockey is liable for the outcome!

Starter fcuk you's over - not the jockey as you on about in your second breathe...

anyhow over arguing with you... GC and P wont get a dime from me for a while... Hollywood and sports bets here I come

shrek Wrote:

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> Maybe the starter needs gelding to keep his mind
> on the job. <

well the blinkers certainly didn't improve anything....<

The obvious problem here is the stipes and their rule that allows for a horse to be disadvantaged at the start (eg. gate not opening on time) and then still declared a runner! That has got to be the worst clause in the book to date and believe me that's saying something because it already reads like a comic strip. Personally I'd like to see this ruling challenged in court, it looks open and shut in favour of the punters - hold on to all tickets. Punters that wagered win bets on the the favourite have a clear case against the operators even a blind man can see that. I wonder what kindergarten jokers stuck that clause in in the first place, it defies belief! Clearly they must've failed to consider the punter (who pays their salaries) because you're not going to find a betting man the world over that puts a win bet down on a horse and then is happy to lose his money because the gate didn't open on time. And for people to start clutching at straws and blaming Marcus wtf is that! The starter made a mistake at the jump for whatever reason, this is not the first time and won't be the last. Sure it's an abortion yes but these things can and do happen. The stipes will have their inquiry and take action or not, that is not the burning issue here. The issue here is the rulebook - it's a disgrace and embarrassment to the racing industry.

Leon I agree it is the rule that is wrongly worded and/or needs a lot more thought put into it. Starter should have called a false start. From then on the stipes had their hands tied by the rule and they have the final say on race day, not the operator. Cannot work out why some think it is GC's fault or even worse Anton's!:S