They Came,They saw ,they left
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They Came,They saw ,they left
12 years 2 months ago
Found this article in the citizen online,written by Brent Graham
WHAT have Ladbrokes, Victor Chandler and Sportingbet got in common? All three are big offshore bookmakers with well-known brands, who took licenses in South Africa as a means of spreading their footprint.
While Sportingbet appear to be thriving, both Ladbrokes and Victor Chandler have closed up shop and are in the process of leaving or have already left our shores.
Ladbrokes.co.za punters received notification two weeks ago that the South African website had ceased trading and the company were going to pay out on all balances; but would be taking no further part in the local sports betting or horse racing arena.
On the face of it, and given that Victor Chandler had also entered this market only to pack it in within around two years, this seems like a hammer blow for the local industry.
In my view, the answer is an emphatic “No”! While I have little doubt that both layers would suggest the market is not as large or perhaps growing as quickly as expected, I believe the reason for their departure could be down to their own failings rather than a problem with the market itself.
There are no doubt other factors at play as well, but I believe the depth of competition within the local market could well have been underestimated; and the apparent assumption that local punters would automatically flock to a powerful overseas brand was flawed.
Let’s start with the local online market where we have a host of respected players competing for your punting rand. Betxchange, World Sports Betting and Hollywood are long established South African brands that have had an online presence for many years and in more recent times the likes of Voltbet have entered the market and made brilliant use of social media and out of the box strategies to grab their share of the pie.
These companies compete with each other aggressively and each has its own strengths whether that be their range of markets, prices (odds) or customer service. It may well have been that this market was perceived as being a soft touch due to the lack of internationally recognised brands but that in fact is far from the case and we have a very strong and efficient local offering.
If the local market was underestimated that need not be a reason for failure and I suspect the real issue was perhaps an attitude that a simple “White Label” of a successful international product would be enough to attract and retain customers. Now is an opportune time to look at Sportingbet the original overseas entrants who are now major players in the local online betting space. What are Sportingbet doing differently to what Ladbrokes did?
I was not initially all that impressed with Sportingbet as while they came with a website that carried thousands of markets and in-play options (betting when the match or event is already under way) they were late out with Super Rugby prices and getting a bet on a domestic cricket match was not an option.
Gradually they started to build on their base offering adding more and more local focused markets and today it is Sportingbet who are first out with Varsity Cup Rugby prices and they are also very early with Super Rugby odds and pre-season carried a range of Super Rugby and South African team specials the likes of which were only rivalled by Betxchange.
Brent Graham has been betting on sport since it was legalised in 1994 and he writes previews and blogs at www.goodforthegame.co.za You can contact him at brent@goodforthegame.co.za or follow him on Twitter @BrentGraham. This article is his opinion based on his experience in the local betting space and he has held accounts with Ladbrokes and Victor Chandler and continues to hold accounts with all bookmakers mentioned in the article.
WHAT have Ladbrokes, Victor Chandler and Sportingbet got in common? All three are big offshore bookmakers with well-known brands, who took licenses in South Africa as a means of spreading their footprint.
While Sportingbet appear to be thriving, both Ladbrokes and Victor Chandler have closed up shop and are in the process of leaving or have already left our shores.
Ladbrokes.co.za punters received notification two weeks ago that the South African website had ceased trading and the company were going to pay out on all balances; but would be taking no further part in the local sports betting or horse racing arena.
On the face of it, and given that Victor Chandler had also entered this market only to pack it in within around two years, this seems like a hammer blow for the local industry.
In my view, the answer is an emphatic “No”! While I have little doubt that both layers would suggest the market is not as large or perhaps growing as quickly as expected, I believe the reason for their departure could be down to their own failings rather than a problem with the market itself.
There are no doubt other factors at play as well, but I believe the depth of competition within the local market could well have been underestimated; and the apparent assumption that local punters would automatically flock to a powerful overseas brand was flawed.
Let’s start with the local online market where we have a host of respected players competing for your punting rand. Betxchange, World Sports Betting and Hollywood are long established South African brands that have had an online presence for many years and in more recent times the likes of Voltbet have entered the market and made brilliant use of social media and out of the box strategies to grab their share of the pie.
These companies compete with each other aggressively and each has its own strengths whether that be their range of markets, prices (odds) or customer service. It may well have been that this market was perceived as being a soft touch due to the lack of internationally recognised brands but that in fact is far from the case and we have a very strong and efficient local offering.
If the local market was underestimated that need not be a reason for failure and I suspect the real issue was perhaps an attitude that a simple “White Label” of a successful international product would be enough to attract and retain customers. Now is an opportune time to look at Sportingbet the original overseas entrants who are now major players in the local online betting space. What are Sportingbet doing differently to what Ladbrokes did?
I was not initially all that impressed with Sportingbet as while they came with a website that carried thousands of markets and in-play options (betting when the match or event is already under way) they were late out with Super Rugby prices and getting a bet on a domestic cricket match was not an option.
Gradually they started to build on their base offering adding more and more local focused markets and today it is Sportingbet who are first out with Varsity Cup Rugby prices and they are also very early with Super Rugby odds and pre-season carried a range of Super Rugby and South African team specials the likes of which were only rivalled by Betxchange.
Brent Graham has been betting on sport since it was legalised in 1994 and he writes previews and blogs at www.goodforthegame.co.za You can contact him at brent@goodforthegame.co.za or follow him on Twitter @BrentGraham. This article is his opinion based on his experience in the local betting space and he has held accounts with Ladbrokes and Victor Chandler and continues to hold accounts with all bookmakers mentioned in the article.
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12 years 2 months ago
I also read the other day that sportingbet australia have just sold up to Wm Hill for £499 m
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12 years 2 months ago
Sportingbet are micky mouse bert
why
Are they paying for this blog///
Try get a decent size wager on any event and you get nothing.
Bookmakers in SA and England treat clients as enemies unless you are a loser.
Imagine going to Pick and Pay ordering 1000 loaves of bread and they say sorry we only sell 10 loaves .
A customer has moey in his account and asks for 50 000 k on the Sharks today and the answer is you have exceeded liabilityy
what rubbish
Accept the bet and spread it around adjust the odds and lay the the force but to tell punters youi betr to big
its crazy.
Sporting bet good luck
why
Are they paying for this blog///
Try get a decent size wager on any event and you get nothing.
Bookmakers in SA and England treat clients as enemies unless you are a loser.
Imagine going to Pick and Pay ordering 1000 loaves of bread and they say sorry we only sell 10 loaves .
A customer has moey in his account and asks for 50 000 k on the Sharks today and the answer is you have exceeded liabilityy
what rubbish
Accept the bet and spread it around adjust the odds and lay the the force but to tell punters youi betr to big
its crazy.
Sporting bet good luck
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12 years 2 months ago
I was sad to see them go – at least there was never an attempt to limit bets and for “in running” bets they were tops, especially cricket. Some local bookies are still “betting” on the Windies/Zim match that ended on Friday, but current matches? – absolutely zip.
As for other bookies mentioned such as wsb, betx and the unmentionable “sporting” bet - how does anyone get a bet on with them ?– “liability has been exceeded – try lowering your stake” – they actually think you are going to spend the R5 or whatever they offer you with them.
As for volties – you must be seriously the moer in with your money if you back with them – their percentages are diabolical.
As for other bookies mentioned such as wsb, betx and the unmentionable “sporting” bet - how does anyone get a bet on with them ?– “liability has been exceeded – try lowering your stake” – they actually think you are going to spend the R5 or whatever they offer you with them.
As for volties – you must be seriously the moer in with your money if you back with them – their percentages are diabolical.
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are sportingbet un mentionable? where about?
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I think they have been FINGERED as UNSPORTING BET ?:S
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I don’t understand what you are asking – I don’t want to mention their name because it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
They call themselves bookmakers (?) and offer you – “your maximum wager on this event is R1.60xR2.00”.
These practises should be banned by the gambling board.
They call themselves bookmakers (?) and offer you – “your maximum wager on this event is R1.60xR2.00”.
These practises should be banned by the gambling board.
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My biggest gripe in racing.
Sportingbet are a joke and I'm still laughing at the 65 pence ew they offered me on a 22/1 shot.
They are the biggest offenders to the term "bookmaker"
Sportingbet are a joke and I'm still laughing at the 65 pence ew they offered me on a 22/1 shot.
They are the biggest offenders to the term "bookmaker"
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hibs may be you ask all the bookies who support you to advertise what is the MINIMUM they will stand?
i read this stories about 22 pence and i think what the hell is go on with these malakkas they should be ashame. i would say that any bookie should have to lay the minimum amount and this must be part of licence. a fair amount who know but surely if you advertise odds you must be prepared to lay an amount at that price i would say 10000? may be more may be less. otherwise it is the form of false advertising?
i read this stories about 22 pence and i think what the hell is go on with these malakkas they should be ashame. i would say that any bookie should have to lay the minimum amount and this must be part of licence. a fair amount who know but surely if you advertise odds you must be prepared to lay an amount at that price i would say 10000? may be more may be less. otherwise it is the form of false advertising?
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You ask them harry,we don`t censor what members say
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ok i dont now what problem is, what do your firm lay a minimum to the punter?
all bookies who are present on this site please would you respond to my question of what is the guarantee amount you will stand of the horse to any punter if you have odds display.
all bookies who are present on this site please would you respond to my question of what is the guarantee amount you will stand of the horse to any punter if you have odds display.
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Flash Harry Wrote:
> hibs may be you ask all the bookies who support
> you to advertise what is the MINIMUM they will
> stand?
>
> i read this stories about 22 pence and i think
> what the hell is go on with these malakkas they
> should be ashame. i would say that any bookie
> should have to lay the minimum amount and this
> must be part of licence. a fair amount who know
> but surely if you advertise odds you must be
> prepared to lay an amount at that price i would
> say 10000? may be more may be less. otherwise it
> is the form of false advertising?
You have more chance of seeing Elvis riding Shergar at The Atlantis Race Track
> hibs may be you ask all the bookies who support
> you to advertise what is the MINIMUM they will
> stand?
>
> i read this stories about 22 pence and i think
> what the hell is go on with these malakkas they
> should be ashame. i would say that any bookie
> should have to lay the minimum amount and this
> must be part of licence. a fair amount who know
> but surely if you advertise odds you must be
> prepared to lay an amount at that price i would
> say 10000? may be more may be less. otherwise it
> is the form of false advertising?
You have more chance of seeing Elvis riding Shergar at The Atlantis Race Track
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