EXPOSING paying tipping services - Misleading / false Information posted by them here on ABC forum

Beware of these tipsters when they tell you about their big profits and wins, the misleading info they post afterwords is astounding about their winnings and profits .Its time the public need to know about these misleading practices.


Heinrich Angelo Mcpherson aka BUSINESS4LIFE (heinrich here on abc)
The tips/bets he posted to his clients on his facebook Tipping group:
VAAL SAND 23 APRIL
RACE BY RACE SELECTIONS
R1- 3.4.7.11.12
R2- 1.9.2.3.4
R3- 1.4.2.5.3
R4- 12.3.8.10.6.4.5.9EX,TRF,QRT
R5- 8.13.9.5.4.
R6- 2.4.7.3.6
R7- 3.4.6.5.7.1
R8- 7.4.5.6.2(3.9.11.12.13.8)CUB
BEST BETS:
R3#1 ACROSS THE ICE*
R8#7 ROCK THE COUNTRY*
VALUE BETS:
R4#12 BEAUTIFUL DAWN*
LONGSHOTS: R8#5 R6#4
R3#4 RIGHT BEAUTY

PA: 1.9.2.5.3/1/12.3.8.10/8.13.9/2/3.4/7.4.5
BONUSPA: 1.9.2.5.3/1/12.3.8.10.6/8.13.9.5/2.4/3.4/7.4.5.6
JACKPOT: 12.3.8.10.6.4.5.9/8.13.9.5.4.3.2/2.7.4.3/3.4.6.5.7.1
P6: 1.4.2.5/12.3.8.10.6.4.5.9/8.13.9.3.2.1/3.4/3.4.5.6.7.1/4.5.6.7


His postings here on abc :

heinrich [ PM ]
Re: How to pick a big outsider?
April 23, 2013 01:44PM Registered: 2 years ago


I won the qrt in the 1st race with 5horses boxed...excluded the 2 SYE as on my breeding chart for sand Joshua Dancer progeny doesnt act on Sand........

This actual truth is that he had 5 horses R1- 3.4.7.11.12 and the result of race race : 4 - 11 - 13 - 3 . He never did tip the claimed winning Quartet, he did not have the outsider nr 13 in that ran 3rd.

heinrich [ PM ]
Re: How to pick a big outsider?
April 23, 2013 06:23PM Registered: 2 years ago
Posts: 1,211
@ BLOUPERD
There was 2 examples on the card today of my way of picking outsiders....hope you got them!I got 1 and underestimated the other....but 45/1 is good enough for me

So here he got us all in total awe about his ability to tip the huge outsiders and Englander asked how does he do that?

heinrich [ PM ]
Re: How to pick a big outsider?
April 23, 2013 07:49PM
Yes Englander....Form is a start...but the most important things i look at is C&D form and weight....I found 2 big outsiders today...Rivulet(on weight) and Spectroscope(on weight and breeding) i lost the P6 with Rivulet as i thought MS and F will be a little better as R was way out at the weights...but S was a complete giveaway.On turf its mostly abt the weight diffrence,but having said that theres alota factors as each outsider VB i find differs....on sand its all abt the Breeding...like Tipster pointed out....SAND = 70% breeding 30% Form

Blouperd replied :
I really want your explanation as we all here are fools who would love to learn more . Please explain:
Rivulet(on weight)- How can you said she have a great chance on weights if she is OUT OF THE WEIGHTS ON HANDICAP WITH 8 RUNNERS BETWEEN 2,5KG (3,75 LENGHS ) TO 6,5KG ( 9,75 LENGHS )
Spectroscope(on weight and breeding)
- on breeding ? 3 Spectrum horses in race? When did Elliodor became the ultimate sand damsire?
-on weight ? he dropped in a years time from a MR65 to a MR63 ? NO CLAIM.
-on form? 2 runs for new stable , only run on sand was pathetic(22lenghs behind) 3 weeks ago and 5 days ago run 14 lenghs behind 3rd last and now 5 days later he is a good thing?

Please explain your philosophy , please bowl me out , you really have me hooked with your explanation after almost 40 years in this game

umlilo replied :
There is a vast distinction between finding an outsider for a straight bet and finding and including (in a perm) such for an exotic (JP, P6, Quartets, etc), where the selections are whittled down to / spread upwards 2 or more (or the field!).
you going for the exotic or a straight 50-1?

heinrich [ PM ]
Re: How to pick a big outsider?
April 24, 2013 10:11AM
....quick answer to UMLILO....I didnt just add Spectroscope in my P6...I told my clients....'I am having an eW bet on Spectroscope....than gave my reasons why...than advised them to have an ew bet aswell.
@Blouperd....you clearly dont grasp what i said abt weight

heinrich [ PM ]
Re: How to pick a big outsider?
April 24, 2013 11:44AM

RIVULET: simple example WHY i liked RIVULET...

If i have 10kgs in each hand and run 100m ill run it in 25secs.If i run without the weight ill run it in 15secs....you understand what i mean??? WEIGHT-means in terms of the weight the horse carried previously...NOT on handicapping in the race.Ive got a Horse to follow book where i rate horses....Rivulet got a 5* rating(highest) for its 2nd last run behind Bay Princess when finishing like a bullet train....so if she carries lighter weight shouldnt she finish much faster????Also MS and F are known front runners so there was always gona be pace(in her favour)
WHY did i leave her out- simply becoz i had the same argument as you above

SPECTROSCOPE- i have a SaND CHArT with what i use to rate every runner.SPECTRUMS are top of the blocks....you remarks abt ELLIODOR....i suggest stop bitching and go do some homework....as for the form on Spectro....was there for ALL to see

heinrich [ PM ]
Re: How to pick a big outsider?
April 24, 2013 11:57AM
@Englander I also liked SS in that race....but was committed to RTC and DK as winners of the race....than i saw the weight,breeding and general way of running of Spectro....sometimes stuff just catches my eye and than i get that ggggooooooddd feling abt it....

now to interpret what he actually tipped :
his selections for the race R8- 7.4.5.6.2(3.9.11.12.13.8)CUB.......note that Spectroscope is nr 13 ?
BEST BETS:
R8#7 ROCK THE COUNTRY*
LONGSHOTS: R8#5

He claimed his 45/1 winner,Spectroscope, he tipped and how easy that was but clearly on what he tipped to his clients the horse in question was only his 10th selection of 11 selections in a 13 horse field?? Also tipping his BEST BET: R8#7 ROCK THE COUNTRY in the same race and his best longshot R8#5 BARON ZEMO also in same race and then telling us here on abc about this STANDOUT on the card and later that he liked Spectroscope .......but was committed to RTC nr 7 and DK nr 4 as winners of the race....?????? Who are you trying to fool?????He didnt just lose the PICK 6 with Rivulet but also didnt have Spectroscope in any of his exotics


Loopy Logic aka www.logicfinvalue.com
he is not shy to advertise his website(paying service)with his postings on regular basis here on abc :
Loopy Logic [ PM ]
Re: How to pick a big outsider?
April 23, 2013 06:26AM
.".............Once you have ascertained 1) Form 2) Intent and 3) Value you have a winning bet www.logicfinvalue.com "
Loopy Logic [ PM ]
Re: How to pick a big outsider?
April 24, 2013 08:16AM
"I would certainly love to see a comp (Hollybucks or ABC or perhaps I should start it on LogicFinValue) ......"

His tips/bets posted on his website for Kenilworth yesterday 24 april :
PA 1,6 5,6,1,17,12 7,4,1,2,10,11,15,9 2,3,14,1 4,5,11,8 2,3,4,11 1,4
P6 5,6,1,17,12,2,4 7,4,1,2,10,11,15,14,6,8,5 2,3,14,1,17,11,8,5,4,9,11 4,11,(10,8,2,1) 2,3,4,11,5,7,8,10,13 1,4(5,8,13,9,3)
JP 7,4,1,2,10,11,15,14,13,9,6,8,5,12 2,3,14,1,17,11,8,5,4,9,11 4,5,11,8,9,(10,6,2,1) 2,3,4,11,5,7,8,6,10,13 JP
BB R8#1 Sir Robert
EW R2#1 Silk Road
VB R5#2 Diva's Daughter
Value R3#5 Amber Head

His tips here on abc :
Loopy Logic [ PM ]
Re: Kenilworth Wednesday 24/4/13
April 24, 2013 09:03AM Registered: 3 years ago
Posts: 2,368
Guys have another look at R3#5 Amber Head from the AG Maeder yard (25/1)
1) Only runners for AG Maeder today is the coupling
2) Decent swing around on the weights with the favorite since D Lee (Appie - 2,5kg) takes the ride
3) D Lee had a winner for the Humby stable 20 April paying R19,80 a win so
@ R3,80 top 4 to place & 25/1 to win I will have a top 4 place on it
Also watch the betting of Marshall in the 1st closely since R2#1 Silk road has a very decent chance of winning R2 IMO (on the Red ray run I believe R2#1&6 are very decent and the 1st timers must be awesome to beat them on exposed form)
R5#2 diva's daughter @ 7-8/1 is a decent top 4 bet as well IMO
CAUTION on the exotics today, if the PA pays less than R500,00 I will stop posting (we all live in hope )

His post after last leg of Jackpot :
Loopy Logic [ PM ]
Re: Kenilworth Wednesday 24/4/13
April 24, 2013 04:46PM
"That was perhaps the easiest 3 x R5751 I have ever accumulayed for R2500,00"


Actual result of his easy money claim:
He actually never hit the jackpot , not the R7700 perm or the R13860 perm as he posted to his paying clients, so how can he claim his won it x3 times for only R2500
His claim :R14 753 profit was actually a R21560 LOSS!!!

His post after last leg of pa :
Loopy Logic [ PM ]
Re: Kenilworth Wednesday 24/4/13
April 24, 2013 05:41PM
Shoop Madji Said above R500 and just made it... So that means I can still post!!

72 x .. Still smiling

Actual result of his pa that he hit 72x :
He did hit the PA but his R10240 perm only returned R5312 because he only caught it 8x and not 72x like he claims .
His pa claim : He claims R37 575 PROFIT but he actually had a R4928 LOSS !!!


And then made this remark:
Loopy Logic [ PM ]
Re: When is a tipster worth his money?
April 25, 2013 01:06PM
..... "Main reason though is to keep a tipster honest. When he tips he does the work since he does not want to provide a sh*t service.
By having paid subscribers he would put in the extra time not to dissapoint his subscribers IMHO?"

He never claimed yesterday that he won the Pick 6, he did lose both his Pick 6 perms , astounding perms small perm R30492 LOSS and big perm R320 166 LOSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 320K pick 6 perm and lose wooooooooooow!

So end of the day his R52328 profitable day on exotics was actually a LOSS OF R377 146 just on exotics !!!!!!



Please be aware of con artists trying to lure you into paying services by proclaiming huge profits and winning tips by misleading potential clients with false claims of their brilliant services

wow

this is going to be an explosive thread with many a view and many a post

Ok....yes thats my post yes.....now i ask you something....WHY didnt you post the othe post abt SPECTROSCOPE aswell?????

When i intially studied the card...I MISSED SPECTROSCOPE becoz he was on a Back page...than AFTER R3(1st leg of the P6) i took Spectroscope EW and advised an EW bet to my Clients....now ill ask a member of ABC...to post that post...as you clearly dont want to....while you at it...Please calculate my P6 profits for the months of march and april.... Or any other month...thank you

Just for fairness sake Blouperd is INFORMANYLIST from facebook

I know that thanks Hibs....

@Blouperd...i have no problem with people telling me im a fake or whatever...as i will always prove hem wrong....now i beg you...yes i beg you...since you got access to my info....on that same day...when i realised SPECTROSCOPE had a BIG winning chance i put up another post...since you quoting my posts....do put that up aswell thanks alot

I cant believe that you blokes make money out of tipping horses. Even if I say so myself I am very good in tipping winners (uk) i dont get paid and and i dont even get a thanks from the site owners for doing so but I would never ever dream of charging anybody as I would be ashamed if I charged and the horse did not win.

While you at it Blouperd....
My P6 PROFITS for March was R450 000+ and for APRIL so far is R500 000+ and i also tipped various Longshots like DELIGENT MOON,FLYING FOO and ALoT of very good Value bets this month....so while you at it....PLEASE take ur time(as you have done with the above) and calculate my P6 PROFITS for those months...or ANY month this year...and you read correctly...MARCH R450 000+ profits and APRIL so far R500 000+ profits....also be quick to point out that my P6's cost between R3K-R10K....thanks alot

chicken 'n chips Wrote:

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> I cant believe that you blokes make money out of
> tipping horses. Even if I say so myself I am very
> good in tipping winners (uk) i dont get paid and
> and i dont even get a thanks from the site owners
> for doing so but I would never ever dream of
> charging anybody as I would be ashamed if I
> charged and the horse did not win.


CnC...as far as i go...i ran my group on facebook for 1year without charging 1cent....so there came a time when i wanted to STOP tipping...wanted to close the group....than i was ASKED by members to charge a fee rather than leave them like that...thats how i came to charge....and that...BLOUPERD can also look up.The reason why i wanted to stop was someone else was selling my tips.

Last message to BLOUPERD...

I sincerely tried to help you the other day...really.If you didnt put up my post of SPECTROSCOPE on here by tomorrow i will ask a member of ABC to do it on my behalf...

Btw...also tell ABC that you begged me to join my group...and i said no...and you begged some more...and i said no. Cheers.have a good evening

Here is the conversation on fb copy and past because of his rantings about huge profits ? To answer why I wanted to join because I for instance do not mind to pay for INFO ( big difference between info and tips) , the problem is that it sounded to good to be true your rantings about so much money that I wanted to see it for myself .
Heinrich Angelo Mcpherson wrote:

BUSINESS4LI4E does it AGAIN!!!!

Taken from my RACECARD SUMMARY... 'Im expecting a GOOD night,ALL exotics should come home lonely...we gona have a CRCKER'

JACkPOT wins returns R5200
P6 wins returns R440 000+!!!!!

BOOOOOoOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!

Well done to all my clients!!!!

BUSINESS4LI4E: JOIN TODaY...WIN TODAY!!!!!



You never replied back and I did some homework and caught you out .

Conversation started April 7

10:47am
Inside-info Formanalyst
Heinrich, you also the same Heinrich from ABC?

10:55am
Heinrich Angelo Mcpherson
Yep

11:27am
Inside-info Formanalyst
I asked before but got no reply, how much is your rates and where can I get them?

12:04pm
Heinrich Angelo Mcpherson
Membership to my group Business4life costs R250 pm.

12:50pm
Inside-info Formanalyst
What type of tips do you give?What your bankdetails?

12:53pm
Heinrich Angelo Mcpherson
BB,VB,LS,Pa.JPT and P6....but i pride myself in my VB and P6....

12:59pm
Inside-info Formanalyst
Bank details?lets see how good you are
April 7

8:22pm
Inside-info Formanalyst
Do you tip all meetings ? Bankdetails?

8:56pm
Heinrich Angelo Mcpherson
Only Kzn,Gtg and Wcp centres

8:59pm
Inside-info Formanalyst
How do I get the tips then?See you made some money today
April 8

2:25pm
Inside-info Formanalyst
Why no answer?

3:08pm
Heinrich Angelo Mcpherson
Answer on?

3:30pm
Inside-info Formanalyst
How do I join?
April 9

8:51am
Inside-info Formanalyst
Again no answer? What is the story?
April 10

7:18pm
Inside-info Formanalyst
How did it go in Cape today and when can I expect your bank details ?

8:00pm
Heinrich Angelo Mcpherson
Both my BBs ran 2nd....overall it was a dissapointing day thou
April 11

10:09am
Inside-info Formanalyst
Why are you so skeptic then?How many clients do you have?

10:14am
Heinrich Angelo Mcpherson
30 on FB and another 26 outside....not sceptic

11:38am
Inside-info Formanalyst
now why you not giving your details?
Come now , how much longer do I need to ask?
Seen Apr 11





Now what i want to know is if you have 56 clients paying you R250 per month how can this exotics pay out that big if they all play your exotics ?????

Why do tipsters sell their tips if they do make 500k per month themselves with these tips ????

Go bullshit someone else

You again???Like i said before...I was gona close the group but was ASKED to rather charge a fee than close...HENCE the very small sub.No abt the members...most of them only started to bet seriously since JAN and their bets are in the 5-20% range as they are still building a bank.Hope that answer questions...now i ask you AGAIN...you obviously have access to my group...PLEASE put up my post of SPECTROSCOPE which was posted after the 1st leg of the P6 that day...also...feel free to calculate all my P6's for this month...do so please and thanks...than you put the results up here thanks....also put up that 1 of R440 000+...there was only 2.03 winning tickets that day....please do so.thanks

Also Blouperd...abt why i never send you the banking details....you know when you like a horse on a gut feeling...than theres times you DONT like a horse on that gut feeling???Now i know my gut was right abt you.lol