Cliffie Miller in hot water

Why not hmm does anybody know with which horse was positive

Sorry apologize to those I offended ,it was stupid of me ,sorry

savasp Wrote:

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> Sorry apologize to those I offended ,it was stupid
> of me ,sorry


(tu)

You reckon if someone reports Yip Jaaps thread with this message


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Dig a hole you fall into it

Death Threat?

savasp Wrote:

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> Sorry apologize to those I offended ,it was stupid
> of me ,sorry


No worries mate, accepted (tu)

Bringing the NHRA into disrepute interesting topic ,does that mean if a individual make factual statement he is bringing them into disrepute?does it mean if individuals dont say what the NHRA like ,or differ from them? we got freedom of speech maybe there will be more interest in after race interviews if jocks that ran second and third bumped by the winner come and tell the public the truth .Maybe if a guy like Lotz if he base his statements on facts not assumptions are alowed to make such statements mabe then transparency will come to the fore.

I personally think after race interviews are boring because 99% of them are repitition ,make it more interesting become controversial let the NHRA look at all the symptons so that they can get to the root cause.

Those trainers and owners that think they are doing the sport a favour by keeping info for themself I pitty,yes give the owner the price but get it out there anyway in any given race I gaurentee that at least 5-6 trainers rate their horses with a chance to win.I punt but dont see why not share what you know I post what I know about my horses with no fear of prices being stolen etc with no punters there is no racing we need them and that is inclusive of the tote punter that punt out of the newspaper

BIGNIC Wrote:

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> Bringing the NHRA into disrepute interesting topic
> ,does that mean if a individual make factual
> statement he is bringing them into disrepute?does
> it mean if individuals dont say what the NHRA like
> ,or differ from them? we got freedom of speech
> maybe there will be more interest in after race
> interviews if jocks that ran second and third
> bumped by the winner come and tell the public the
> truth .Maybe if a guy like Lotz if he base his
> statements on facts not assumptions are alowed to
> make such statements mabe then transparency will
> come to the fore.
>
> I personally think after race interviews are
> boring because 99% of them are repitition ,make it
> more interesting become controversial let the NHRA
> look at all the symptons so that they can get to
> the root cause.
>
> Those trainers and owners that think they are
> doing the sport a favour by keeping info for
> themself I pitty,yes give the owner the price but
> get it out there anyway in any given race I
> gaurentee that at least 5-6 trainers rate their
> horses with a chance to win.I punt but dont see
> why not share what you know I post what I know
> about my horses with no fear of prices being
> stolen etc with no punters there is no racing we
> need them and that is inclusive of the tote punter
> that punt out of the newspaper

Nothing wrong with facts but when people say things with out proof and it damages a person/people/industry then that is not on. There is dirt in Racing or we would not have people banned or warned off but it is reasonable to expect some proof before a conviction. I doubt anyone here would like to be called a cheat without proof? Being reasonable is all that is required. Bring the proof and root out the evil if it exists

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> BIGNIC Wrote:
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> > Bringing the NHRA into disrepute interesting
> topic
> > ,does that mean if a individual make factual
> > statement he is bringing them into
> disrepute?does
> > it mean if individuals dont say what the NHRA
> like
> > ,or differ from them? we got freedom of speech
> > maybe there will be more interest in after race
> > interviews if jocks that ran second and third
> > bumped by the winner come and tell the public
> the
> > truth .Maybe if a guy like Lotz if he base his
> > statements on facts not assumptions are alowed
> to
> > make such statements mabe then transparency
> will
> > come to the fore.
> >
> > I personally think after race interviews are
> > boring because 99% of them are repitition ,make
> it
> > more interesting become controversial let the
> NHRA
> > look at all the symptons so that they can get
> to
> > the root cause.
> >
> > Those trainers and owners that think they are
> > doing the sport a favour by keeping info for
> > themself I pitty,yes give the owner the price
> but
> > get it out there anyway in any given race I
> > gaurentee that at least 5-6 trainers rate their
> > horses with a chance to win.I punt but dont see
> > why not share what you know I post what I know
> > about my horses with no fear of prices being
> > stolen etc with no punters there is no racing
> we
> > need them and that is inclusive of the tote
> punter
> > that punt out of the newspaper
>
> Nothing wrong with facts but when people say
> things with out proof and it damages a
> person/people/industry then that is not on. There
> is dirt in Racing or we would not have people
> banned or warned off but it is reasonable to
> expect some proof before a conviction. I doubt
> anyone here would like to be called a cheat
> without proof? Being reasonable is all that is
> required. Bring the proof and root out the evil if
> it exists

Now that is SPOT ON(tu)
But without RUMOURS what is there to jnvestigate?:S

If the rules of the NHRA, in this case rule 73 - 75, get followed to the letter the playing field would be more level to all involved - owners, punters and jockeys.
The fact that Leon Lotz made a statement on TV pertaining medicine men just shows how serious the situation has become.
Owners and punters who are following stables who refrain from using medication/doping are at a severe disadvantage. In the end this will result in them leaving the game. This is not good for racing.