Turffontein 28/7/13

what is interesting....the last race is the mega quartet carryover race....::
to manipulate...you don't have to win the race...you just need to ensure that a lot of tickets go down...

I never said anything about manipulation, merely coincidence.
Similar to the way that Mr Khumalo rides a pearler to win the July on perhaps the stables 3rd choice, a 25/1 shot? but a very strange one today on a fairly heavily backed favourite (until shortly before the off), seemingly the stables first choice of three, and ends up finishing 2nd last when a second horse is heavily backed just before the off and wins. See, just coincidence.

Pirhobeta Wrote:

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> what is interesting....the last race is the mega
> quartet carryover race....::
> to coincidence...you don't have to win the
> race...you just need to ensure that a lot of
> tickets go down...


nah doesn't make grammatical sense...-

you'll be getting ABC "notice"!!

Pirhobeta Wrote:

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> > Flamingo and Kenilworth -not for me but
> > Scottsville on Wednesday promises.
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> > Rabadash a small place
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> Hey Ben...we have to go with works for us....
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> I only stuck with KZN...all I knew....now I can
> pick losers in any centre.......You don't have
> to be an expert....just post your selections....


With respect our paths forward are mapped differently.

Regarding our selections a hit and miss operation is what most tipsters worth their salt shy away from.
Very related to the cry wolf story
Regarding a few of the theories put forward I feel they are exactly or close enough to the ones that are bandied around at the rooms after a losing bet.Its the precise reason why I rather do my punting from home.Knowing your horses better should be the correct cure.

lol Ben. If you are referring to the Fradd and Khumalo theories, these are not theories. Fradd's recent record has been stated, it is fact not theory. When giving this information I was implying no more than the fact and speculating nothing. It is just a trend that I have noticed. He may well win the next three when on the fav in the last. But, when you spot a trend like that it is often worth noting. Even with Moonscape yesterday, when I was aware of the apparent trend, I did the horse anyway. Whether I will do so next time though isd questionable (so be on lol). With regard to Khumalo, watch the ride and tell me that it was not strange. As I said he seemingly deliberately slotted the horse in at the back from the start and then a few hundred later chases it up to run 3 wide for the remainder of the race up to the final bend. Now, if you have a decent explanation as to why he chose to ride the horse that way then please tell me because I really can't fathom it. It makes absolutely no sense and being honest looked to me to be one of the most suspicious rides I have ever seen. It has nothing to do with winning or losing, I do that nearly every race! lol But if we all want to hide and say nothing and no-one ever questions these rides then they will simply continue, whether they be honest, crooked, misjudged or misunderstood.

Englander the run of Rabedash on 6/9 5/25 and 5/4 should be studied.
That results should give weight to yesterdays outcome
I am sure your other theory regarding Perigrine isn't correct although I didn't look at any previous results.
However I did come across a day when Peregrine ran behind Moonscape timewise.

Englander Wrote:

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> I never said anything about manipulation, merely
> coincidence.
> Similar to the way that Mr Khumalo rides a pearler
> to win the July on perhaps the stables 3rd choice,
> a 25/1 shot? but a very strange one today on a
> fairly heavily backed favourite (until shortly
> before the off), seemingly the stables first
> choice of three, and ends up finishing 2nd last
> when a second horse is heavily backed just before
> the off and wins. See, just coincidence.


was going to mention yesterday that peregrine didnt move well down to post and he drifted after the canter past and ran accordingly however thought i would wait for the official vets report which confirms that peregrine was found to be not striding out by the vet...maybe we should not blame jocks or trainers straight after the race until we find out what comes out the washing after the race or the next day...this dick francis shit has to stop

No disrespect, you are both talking about the horse and I am talk about the jockey. I have watched the ride a number of times, to try and find a reason why he would have ridden the horse that way and I can't find one and to me it is inexplicable. I am not trying to create issues where no issues exist. Perhaps the reason he did not get closer at the finish is because the horse was found to be not striding out. Perhaps he would have won and SK judged it to perfection all being well. That does not change my thoughts on the ride. And no-one has commented on the ride. If you watch the ride he does exactly what I described, holds the horse up quite forcefully and slots in at the back, a few hundred later he chases the horse up and then runs three wide... in a small compact field it makes no sense to me. Now tell me if I am wrong about the ride if you want to and explain the reason why he would have ridden the horse in that manner if you can/want to but please stop making comments which concern the final result alone, he may have lost anyway which is why I had a saver on the winner. That was not the point.

I take your comments on board Pirates. I remain far from convinced in my own mind in this particular case. Personally, I know I can shoot from the mouth a little in my anger and/or ignorance on occasion, I don't deny, but in this instance my "confusion" remains and your comments do not answer the original point I was actually making which concerned the ride and the ride alone.

With regard to Fradd BH, I am simply making an observation on a trend that I became aware of recently. And I demonstrated how the trend came to my attention by posting the recent results which were the ones which triggered the observation in the first place. I have made it quite clear that there is probably nothing more than that in it and that the trend will now probably go into complete reverse. However, it is something now in my head and something, rightly or wrongly, that I will be weary of. I am not saying they are necessarily bad rides, I am not saying the results are necessarily all wrong, I have not studied them that closely, I am though perhaps saying that they are false favs or punters are supporting these horses for the wrong reasons. Me included. That is the end of it as far as I am concerned.