can any one explain me these?
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Re: Re: can any one explain me these?
11 years 7 months ago
The owner gets 86%
The trainer bills the owner for stable fee , vet, shoes, noms etc
The trainer bills the owner for stable fee , vet, shoes, noms etc
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11 years 7 months ago
Flash Harry Wrote:
> boys their is all ways the diferent to the norm.
> what i say in general is that jockey get 10%
> trainer get 7% may be louisg can comment?
u guys r lucky...i never saw 1 cent of my stakes....and my bills were up to date....now with team g...even if a meagre amount of R10 is due to u at the end of the month..a transfer is done...their accounting is second to none
> boys their is all ways the diferent to the norm.
> what i say in general is that jockey get 10%
> trainer get 7% may be louisg can comment?
u guys r lucky...i never saw 1 cent of my stakes....and my bills were up to date....now with team g...even if a meagre amount of R10 is due to u at the end of the month..a transfer is done...their accounting is second to none
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Re: Re: can any one explain me these?
11 years 7 months ago
With most "top trainers" for graded races you are lucky to get out +- 65% of stake.
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11 years 7 months ago
And the trainers and jocks still expect presents?
I once heard a trainer say to my buddy "why didnt you back the horse" after it won. Flip, I wanted to tell the trainer why he hadn't reimbursed my buddy with all his previous losing bets on the horse.
I dont know how you owners tolerate all the massive shrinkage.
Hail the owner.
I once heard a trainer say to my buddy "why didnt you back the horse" after it won. Flip, I wanted to tell the trainer why he hadn't reimbursed my buddy with all his previous losing bets on the horse.
I dont know how you owners tolerate all the massive shrinkage.
Hail the owner.
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11 years 7 months ago
there is no doubt that in any industry "hunger" drives performance. I dont have a problem with the 10% perse' my issue is that all jockeys get paid the same for swinging a leg over a horse and even though its super dangerous, i dont agree that a guy with 0 winners in a month still earns R20k by riding soup meat.
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easy Wrote:
> there is no doubt that in any industry "hunger"
> drives performance. I dont have a problem with the
> 10% perse' my issue is that all jockeys get paid
> the same for swinging a leg over a horse and even
> though its super dangerous, i dont agree that a
> guy with 0 winners in a month still earns R20k by
> riding soup meat.
You wouldn't risk your life for R20k a month
> there is no doubt that in any industry "hunger"
> drives performance. I dont have a problem with the
> 10% perse' my issue is that all jockeys get paid
> the same for swinging a leg over a horse and even
> though its super dangerous, i dont agree that a
> guy with 0 winners in a month still earns R20k by
> riding soup meat.
You wouldn't risk your life for R20k a month
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11 years 7 months ago
hibernia Wrote:
> easy Wrote:
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> > there is no doubt that in any industry "hunger"
> > drives performance. I dont have a problem with
> the
> > 10% perse' my issue is that all jockeys get
> paid
> > the same for swinging a leg over a horse and
> even
> > though its super dangerous, i dont agree that a
> > guy with 0 winners in a month still earns R20k
> by
> > riding soup meat.
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> You wouldn't risk your life for R20k a month
Cry me a river
> easy Wrote:
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> > there is no doubt that in any industry "hunger"
> > drives performance. I dont have a problem with
> the
> > 10% perse' my issue is that all jockeys get
> paid
> > the same for swinging a leg over a horse and
> even
> > though its super dangerous, i dont agree that a
> > guy with 0 winners in a month still earns R20k
> by
> > riding soup meat.
>
>
> You wouldn't risk your life for R20k a month
Cry me a river
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Re: Re: can any one explain me these?
11 years 7 months ago
Hibs
In my line of business a man got killed last weekend in scotland. Near misses are frequent and accidents (not fatal) happen often. these guys are in manholes covered in muck pulling cables and are not on huge money.
My point is everyone has a choice in life, we all shift careers. My chiropractor was a medical sales rep before. He obviously missed his targets and tried something else.
Jockeys pay is lopsided in the respect that even a really struggling fella sitting at the bottom of the log can get himself 40 rides a month and earn an ok ammount of money.
You dont really see many shift careers (unless injured) they stick it out till the bitter end and then become trainers.
If you were a poor bricklayer and only layed 100 bricks a day and earned £30 you would soon find something else to do BUT if the entry level of pay was lets say £1.50 per brick then you would stick at it because £150 a day aint so bad.
In my line of business a man got killed last weekend in scotland. Near misses are frequent and accidents (not fatal) happen often. these guys are in manholes covered in muck pulling cables and are not on huge money.
My point is everyone has a choice in life, we all shift careers. My chiropractor was a medical sales rep before. He obviously missed his targets and tried something else.
Jockeys pay is lopsided in the respect that even a really struggling fella sitting at the bottom of the log can get himself 40 rides a month and earn an ok ammount of money.
You dont really see many shift careers (unless injured) they stick it out till the bitter end and then become trainers.
If you were a poor bricklayer and only layed 100 bricks a day and earned £30 you would soon find something else to do BUT if the entry level of pay was lets say £1.50 per brick then you would stick at it because £150 a day aint so bad.
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11 years 7 months ago
Guys wht about the poor guys right at the bottom whom do most of hard work every day and form close bonds with these horses wonder if they get a percentage frm trainers guess not I obviously speaking about grooms hibs as for comment with regards to putting life at risk our fireman policeman and so forth get paid much less than 20k
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Re: Re: can any one explain me these?
11 years 7 months ago
The problem with issues such as those debated above is simply that the whole nature of the business relationship between owners and trainers is seldom, if ever, formalized.
Awhile back the RA had a useful sample training agreement on its website but this seems to have disappeared ( Or perhaps I couldn't find it).
It would formalize many of the issues which appear to irritate and frustrate both trainers and owners.
For example - If I knew what I know today ( which is why I don't own horses any longer! ) I would include certain guidelines in the agreement such as :
Clear restrictions on the use of vets for matters outside of life threatening conditions.
Clearly detailed charges
Written annual advice of impending increases
Clear instruction as to how and how often I expect to be notified of progress, entries, acceptances etc. ( email is fine!)
Clear written instruction that the use of performance enhancing substances and, in particular, steroids would result in my immediate departure from the yard.
Consultation before the use of massages, horse whisperers, dental practitioners et al.
In return the trainer could :
Expect immediate payment on presentation of the monthly invoice
or
Insist that I sign a basic debit order for, at least, the regular training fee
Offer a small discount for prompt settlement
Etc., etc.,
Instead a huge percentage of owners and trainers enter into these vague, muddled arrangements with the inevitable unhappiness on both sides.
I appreciate that if the relationship started with :
"This is going to cost you........followed by 25 billable items........it might be even more difficult to attract patrons. But sooner or later every owner finds out that it is a bottomless pit so why not spare them the nasty surprises? And, as a trainer, save yourself the burden of eventually 'carrying' the horse yourself when payment becomes tardier and tardier.
Awhile back the RA had a useful sample training agreement on its website but this seems to have disappeared ( Or perhaps I couldn't find it).
It would formalize many of the issues which appear to irritate and frustrate both trainers and owners.
For example - If I knew what I know today ( which is why I don't own horses any longer! ) I would include certain guidelines in the agreement such as :
Clear restrictions on the use of vets for matters outside of life threatening conditions.
Clearly detailed charges
Written annual advice of impending increases
Clear instruction as to how and how often I expect to be notified of progress, entries, acceptances etc. ( email is fine!)
Clear written instruction that the use of performance enhancing substances and, in particular, steroids would result in my immediate departure from the yard.
Consultation before the use of massages, horse whisperers, dental practitioners et al.
In return the trainer could :
Expect immediate payment on presentation of the monthly invoice
or
Insist that I sign a basic debit order for, at least, the regular training fee
Offer a small discount for prompt settlement
Etc., etc.,
Instead a huge percentage of owners and trainers enter into these vague, muddled arrangements with the inevitable unhappiness on both sides.
I appreciate that if the relationship started with :
"This is going to cost you........followed by 25 billable items........it might be even more difficult to attract patrons. But sooner or later every owner finds out that it is a bottomless pit so why not spare them the nasty surprises? And, as a trainer, save yourself the burden of eventually 'carrying' the horse yourself when payment becomes tardier and tardier.
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Re: Re: can any one explain me these?
11 years 7 months ago
I normally encounter 7% trainer and 7% jock with my stables
Trainers deserve the 7% as they cannot live on just training fees (Housing, feeding and training of horse is not cheap)
Also it is not a requirement to give presents to the trainer or jock when your horse wins! I give my trainers a nice bottle of whiskey from time to time to show appreciation on the hard work being done on my horses!
Trainers deserve the 7% as they cannot live on just training fees (Housing, feeding and training of horse is not cheap)
Also it is not a requirement to give presents to the trainer or jock when your horse wins! I give my trainers a nice bottle of whiskey from time to time to show appreciation on the hard work being done on my horses!
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