Trainers in the South African Ranks

I don't think this is about Maths Free Enterprise, Culling of excess horses, or being good at training horses. It is however about an industry governing itself.

Horse racing "Trainer" primary investor "the owner" can quickly get soured by the game. You have one bite at getting them hooked and keeping them in the game.

They may not expect a ROI or to have a champion on day one or ever but they would have an expectation of their horse being given the best chance to win a race or compete with the other horses.

I don't believe this happens when a trainer is solely dependent on training fees to survive.

Owners need to be protected at that should be done my limiting the number of trainers in SA.

Sylvester Wrote:

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> I don't think this is about Maths Free Enterprise,
> Culling of excess horses, or being good at
> training horses. It is however about an industry
> governing itself.
>
> Horse racing "Trainer" primary investor "the
> owner" can quickly get soured by the game. You
> have one bite at getting them hooked and keeping
> them in the game.
>
> They may not expect a ROI or to have a champion on
> day one or ever but they would have an expectation
> of their horse being given the best chance to win
> a race or compete with the other horses.
>
> I don't believe this happens when a trainer is
> solely dependent on training fees to survive.
>
> Owners need to be protected at that should be done
> my limiting the number of trainers in SA.

I hear what you say but which owners need to be protected at what end of the market ... and which trainers are solely dependant on training fees.

Free country. One can choose any job or business they want. if you dont like your trainer, find another one - free country.
Bullshit arguement

JustinV Wrote:

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> Rockspider Wrote:
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> > Quick maths for u boffins top stables keep on
> > average 7500per month on average 80 horses per
> > stable that gives u a total of 600 000 per
> month
> > multiply by 12 equals 7.2million a year add to
> > that 60new 2year olds that on average cost bout
> > 200 000each that equals 12million extra add
> these
> > 2 together and see which top stable profits for
> > all their patrons if u want i will give u the
> same
> > sums on a smaller stable and show u which end
> of
> > the market delivers best
>
>
> you are in a coma


Rock you know what jocks not to use now ()

Agree Rockspider point of view (tu)

Justin why would you consider that to be "coma" material???

Tempered Steel Cost 20K including transport to Kim and earned 1 year stabling and purchase price in 1st 6 weeks for new owner
Abu Mashar cost less than Tempered Steel has won 3 and placed 2nd in a 100K race earned over 100K in under a year
Super Groove (2 wins and 2 2nd places in 4 starts) Wings Of An Angel (4 wins 3 2nd's and a 4th) Eye of the World has paid his way plus profit EVERY month for the last 2 years since arriving in Kim, the list is endless... maybe you are allowing your new position to cloud your memory/judgement however looking down your nose at the smaller trainer/yard is one thing but to insinuate that the fact that they can return a decent profit for their owners is a "comatosed statement" is not only insulting it is way off the mark as far as the facts go...do the maths and then maybe retract your insult...

I don't get involved personally normally but Justin V, you are, for all intensive purposes still very new in this industry and because you have been given a good position you should rather use it for the betterment of racing and not to break down the smaller guys by making less than savory comments.

You aren't quite there yet big man...............

While the mr arrogant look down on the guys training in the smaller centres , lets look at his stats this season as RACING MANAGER


FEEL THE RUSH
Trainer: Glen Kotzen
Breeding: Windrush (USA) - Family Silver by Silvano (GER)
1 run = unplaced (td)

SPRING BEAUTY
Trainer: Glen Kotzen
Breeding: Silvano (GER) - Scented Royal by Royal Prerogative (GB)
3 runs = unplaced (td)

LIGETI
Trainer: Paul Matchett
Breeding: Western Winter (USA) - Lyrical Linda by Jallad (USA)
5 runs = 2 wins and a 3rd place (tu)


JACKIE BLACK
Trainer: V Marshall
Breeding: Black Minnaloushe (USA) - Jacaranda Girl by Silvano (GER)
3 runs = 1 place (td)
SOLD


ELECTRICAT
Trainer: Gavin Smith
Breeding: Black Minnaloushe (USA) - Elegant Elizabeth by Badger Land (USA)
3 RUNS = unplaced (td)

CATRAZ
Trainer: Sean Tarry
Breeding: Captain Al - Cry For The Lion by Elliodor (FR)
1 run = 4th place


GALLICA ROSE
Trainer: Joey Ramsden
Breeding: Silvano (GER) - Al Jestic by Al Mufti (USA)
4 runs = 1 maiden win and place (tu)


CAT'S PAW
Trainer: Justin Snaith
Breeding: Black Minnaloushe (USA) - Miami Blues by Western Winter (USA)
3 runs = 2 places (tu)

LADY SEYMOUR
Trainer: Alan Greeff
Breeding: Silvano (GER) - Lady Barnard by Golden Thatch (IRE)
3 runs = unplaced (td)


KINEMATIC COUNTESS
Trainer: Roy Magner
Breeding: Count Dubois (GB) - National Navigator by National Emblem
3 runs = unplaced 4 in listed and 4th in Grade 3 (tu)


MASKED LADY
Trainer: Glen Kotzen
Breeding: Casey Tibbs (IRE) - Kamille by Goldmark
3 runs = 1 place (td)

LA CENERENTOLA
Trainer: Mike de Kock
Breeding: Western Winter (USA) - La Calima (GER) by Cadeaux Genereux (GB)
2 runs = 2 wins (tu)(tu)

LA CALISTO
Trainer: Dennis Drier
Breeding: Silvano (GER) - La Calima (GER) by Cadeaux Genereux (GB)
2 runs = unplaced (td)


PETARA
Trainer: Justin Snaith
Breeding: Silvano (GER) - Petria by Fort Wood (USA)
5 runs = 3 places (tu)

RUN TO ME
Trainer: Dean Kannemeyer
Breeding: Badger's Drift - Running Rhythm by Jallad (USA)
3 runs = unplaced (td)

SPRING AFFAIR
Trainer: Michael Roberts
Breeding: Kahal (GB) - Spring Ahead by Joshua Dancer (USA)
2 runs = unplaced (td)


VERNA
Trainer: Michael Roberts
Breeding: Miesque's Approval (USA) - Valdovino by Al Mufti (USA)
3 runs = 1 win (tu)

PEMBA ISLAND
Trainer: Justin Snaith
Breeding: Trippi (USA) - Proud Peyton by National Assembly (CAN)
3 runs = unplaced (td)


BLACK MARBLE
Trainer: S von Willingh Smit
Breeding: Black Minnaloushe (USA) - Lady Maroof (NZ) by Maroof (USA)
2 runs = unplaced (td)


PRINCESS VICTORIA
Trainer: Glen Kotzen
Breeding: Victory Moon - Platinum Princess by Rakeen (USA)
1 run = 1 Grade 3 win (tu)(tu)

CARELESS LOVE
Trainer: Glen Kotzen
Breeding: National Emblem - Cantari (IRE) by Priolo (USA)
2 runs = unplaced (td)

TELLINA
Trainer: Geoff Woodruff
Breeding: Silvano (GER) - Tachina (IRE) by Spectrum (IRE)
2 runs = 3rd in Grade 1 (tu)(tu)


VOGUE IDEA
Trainer: Yogas Govender
Breeding: Silvano (GER) - Vogue Award by Model Man
2 runs = unplaced (td)

23 horses =61 RUNS 7 WINS(11%) AND 10 FIRST 3 PLACES (28%) and that with all the biggest expensive trainers and expensive bloodlines

Is this what you would expect from your racing manager? stable fees for these horses over 900k in this 5 months , without the vet bills I assume

Now if you look at rockspiders stats same period
20 horses = 66 runs 7 WINS (10%) AND 14 FIRST 3 PLACES (32%) AND NOTHING NEARLY BRED AS THE ABOVE OR THAT EXPENSIVE
I will be surprise if stable fees and vet fees included were more than 350k this 5 months


Look like mr racing manager must suck his words because he is infact the confused one

take a bow Rockspider, you lengths ahead and stretching the lead , like my old man would say , daai ou verdien nie om my stukkende weggooi skoene verniet te kry nie

Thanks to all its not meant 2 be a slugging match bout who is better than what and by how many late owner that i had one day told me that a owner must look after his horse and not the horse looking after the owner

I am amazed at who people with no handson experience pass comments about SMALL trainers
If you really want to learn get up every am at 5 and spend a couple of hours at the track through
all seasons Then stop by in the pm and check how many BIG trainers leave everything to the
assistant
Also look at where the big studs place their horses This is marketing at its best
The BIg trainer has money to spend and spends it with the studs who have horses in their yard
Who many trainers know what their horse eats other than the suppliers name?

big or small (amount of horses) is not the issue

ability or lack thereof is (and before we blame the stock, just remember if you have a horse rated 60 there are plenty races for it)


plenty trainers with small numbers and huge ability
plenty trainers with high numbers and no ability

Easy

100% no doubt