Tellytrack misconceptions

Tommy Sorry to upset you but you did ask if I worked for Phum to find out if am biased
What the difference in me asking for your connection?
For all on the forum My viewpoint
The Tote and Bookmakers are both necessary for punters but the question is should bookmakers contribute
a larger? sum than they do at present?

Elmer you have to remember that the punter counts in racing as well,we need to be able to chose where we place our bets if we are to remain in the game. Just remember the punter funds every part of the game,not the TOTE or the Bookies but the PUNTER

The operators seem to think that if the bookie was eliminated, all that money bet with the bookie with automatically be bet with the operator thus solving all the ills (perceived or otherwise)...well, that's not going to happen...

When you bet with the bookie, he makes a profit but uses some of the money by investing in the facilities you as a punter get to enjoy, you build loyalty with the bookie and you get a good stretch on the price of a horse, you can have a good meal and be entertained by watching other sports eg. cricket or soccer, etc...

When you bet with the operator, they get an increased amount via the take-out to fund increased salaries and perks for a few connected individuals, they improve the facilities for owners but not the punters that fund the industry, you have no idea of the return you are going to get due to possible manipulation of payouts (witness the payouts of late on a variety of local and international meetings), any profit is distributed to shareholders with negligible return to punters...

There are many more differences but time doesn't allow me to elaborate...

So, who would you rather bet your money with ?? And if racing or the bookie wasn't there, there are other avenues, for the addict, to have a bet...lotto, casino, etc...rather than taking a bet with the operator...

Instill integrity and credibility into the sport (however difficult that may be...) and maybe things will get better...you cannot have inconsistencies in deciding objections dependent on who the connections are, you cannot have dead-heats declared that are not dead-heats, you cannot allow ridiculous payouts to go un-investigated, etc...

For now, my money stays with the bookie...and irrespective of what the operators think, the punter funds the industry, the owners provide the equipment...if the punter wasn't there to subsidise the industry, would the owner still be in the industry...I don't think so...but, if the owner wasn't there, would there still be people betting...most certainly...they will just do so on the many other avenues available...

They will never be able to get rid of bookies, please that can never happen, it will not work and everybody knows that. The tote must upgrade their system and stop this late money from other countries, cut off their bets 5 minutes before race. Bookies is the only way that keeps the racing and sports industry going BUT in saying that they should also up their game and offer incentives like the casinos do. I am not a real punter,I don't bet more than R100 unless Im at the box with the guys but any idiot can see that Bookmakers make the wheels turn in the racing game...nothing else!

TNaicker Wrote:

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> The operators seem to think that if the bookie was
> eliminated, all that money bet with the bookie
> with automatically be bet with the operator thus
> solving all the ills (perceived or
> otherwise)...well, that's not going to happen...
>
> When you bet with the bookie, he makes a profit
> but uses some of the money by investing in the
> facilities you as a punter get to enjoy, you build
> loyalty with the bookie and you get a good stretch
> on the price of a horse, you can have a good meal
> and be entertained by watching other sports eg.
> cricket or soccer, etc...
>
> When you bet with the operator, they get an
> increased amount via the take-out to fund
> increased salaries and perks for a few connected
> individuals, they improve the facilities for
> owners but not the punters that fund the industry,
> you have no idea of the return you are going to
> get due to possible manipulation of payouts
> (witness the payouts of late on a variety of local
> and international meetings), any profit is
> distributed to shareholders with negligible return
> to punters...
>
> There are many more differences but time doesn't
> allow me to elaborate...
>
> So, who would you rather bet your money with ??
> And if racing or the bookie wasn't there, there
> are other avenues, for the addict, to have a
> bet...lotto, casino, etc...rather than taking a
> bet with the operator...
>
> Instill integrity and credibility into the sport
> (however difficult that may be...) and maybe
> things will get better...you cannot have
> inconsistencies in deciding objections dependent
> on who the connections are, you cannot have
> dead-heats declared that are not dead-heats, you
> cannot allow ridiculous payouts to go
> un-investigated, etc...
>
> For now, my money stays with the bookie...and
> irrespective of what the operators think, the
> punter funds the industry, the owners provide the
> equipment...if the punter wasn't there to
> subsidise the industry, would the owner still be
> in the industry...I don't think so...but, if the
> owner wasn't there, would there still be people
> betting...most certainly...they will just do so on
> the many other avenues available...

Got to like this post
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stupid question: racing's money is generated from betting (punters). How is football's money generated (UK) ?

Don Wrote:

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> stupid question: racing's money is generated from
> betting (punters). How is football's money
> generated (UK) ?


TV and supporters

Look up how much SKY TV pay for tv rights

stupid question #2: why can't racing generate in the same way as football? - TV and supporters?

Don Wrote:

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> stupid question #2: why can't racing generate in
> the same way as football? - TV and supporters?


At the races in the UK say they have 60 000 viewers a week

500m are watching the barca game tonight

If the TOTE system is so bad WHY is it so successful in France where to my knowledge there are no Leeches, sorry Bookies or some Clanners state Accountants. When last I looked into it France had the strongest Racing in Europe, not a third world country.

IMVHO don't bash the principal of a TOTE just because it is being mis-managed in RSA.

2010, bookies are now allowed in France but I think with conditions - Euro ruling.

Seeing as a lot of stupid questions being asked....why only a tote in Hong Kong and no bookies allowed.....