From MR Bruss RE the show

Jack and Rob, you both make very good points.

However two fundamentals
1)Soccer does not make its living from betting, racing does. Soccer doesnt suffer or lose money. No irony or hypocracy, just facts.
2)Bookies make their living from racing as does racing, so bookies should contribute. Now there are long stories about why they cant contribute. Yet they directly hurt racing by standing the open bet. That is licensed fraud, imho.

As for John Stuart inviting another method, thats simply good business. The point is that there wont be another method because bookies have got away with murder so far, for so long and DONT WANT TO PAY, not one cent..... not whilst they can legally hurt racing by standing the open bet. If I were the decision maker at PGL, I would definitely have a no compromise and zero tolerance attitude towards bookies who stand the open bet.

They scream blue murder when they must contribute, yet smile as they stand the open bet. Criminal, imho.

louisg Wrote:

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> Jack and Rob, you both make very good points.
>
> However two fundamentals
> 1)Soccer does not make its living from betting,
> racing does. Soccer doesnt suffer or lose money.
> No irony or hypocracy, just facts.
> 2)Bookies make their living from racing as does
> racing, so bookies should contribute. Now there
> are long stories about why they cant contribute.
> Yet they directly hurt racing by standing the open
> bet. That is licensed fraud, imho.
>
> As for John Stuart inviting another method, thats
> simply good business. The point is that there wont
> be another method because bookies have got away
> with murder so far, for so long and DONT WANT TO
> PAY, not one cent..... not whilst they can legally
> hurt racing by standing the open bet. If I were
> the decision maker at PGL, I would definitely have
> a no compromise and zero tolerance attitude
> towards bookies who stand the open bet.
>
> They scream blue murder when they must contribute,
> yet smile as they stand the open bet. Criminal,
> imho.


Of course it makes sense that 'they' should contribute - but to whom / what - everybody talks about a contribution to 'racing' - what / who is racing - if the contributions could be guaranteed to go to improvements at tracks, etc, that's fine, but I would also pull up my nose should I be ask to contribute to the 'bottom line' (and shareholder div's) of P

And I think that it is very easy to under estimate the man at the top, namely, Rian du Plessis....
He is a serious businessman and he will do whatever it tskes to make Racing more profitable and technologically aligned. Forget about your least or most favourite presenter etc. Just look at the bigger picture, iro Tellytrack.
1) my unqualified guess is that we are looking at about R150M to upgrade all of the OB vans, cameras and the studio to full HD (which levels even multichoice's select channels have not got to yet in SA).
2)our own decoder can offer more channels, various racing jurisdictions etc.

So, the bookies want this for free? Imagine the bleating if they got the "old" video feed when the new hd is ready and launched.... One would swear that racing owes them a living, on top of the free "hand out" in the form of the open bet....

And as for the "poor" bookies who only make "10%" profit, where exactly would racing be today, if the sole source of stakes was from local turnovers, after the open bet ? This is where
1) Race once a month Kimberley
2) Race twice a month PE
3) Race 6 times a month Gauteng.
4) Race 5 times a month KZN
5) Race 3 or 4 times a month WC

Or we could race for a third of the Stakes like in other countries....

Louis ,did you actually read the posts before you responded?
What was it you did between your 2 stints at training , as I am fascinated at your ongoing intepretations of what is "good business"?

your fascination with my interpretations is the key here.... this is the typical diversion, maybe better to address the facts of the issue. Opinions differ, but the open bet remains. address that one directly and honestly.

Bookies should stick to fixed price offerings ONLY...forgive my ignorance but my limited knowledge tells me that the open bet prices are the "intellectual property" of the operators as it is their facility that determines the prices on those bets...

Does anyone know the outcome of the case between the bookmakers and Tellytrack that was held on Tuesday (18/02/2014).

Louis,my post is entirely about getting more money for racing (ie why is Soccer not taxed but racing is - should that not be addressed) If sports betting is taxed ,theoretically racing tax could be reduced?

Taxing and levying punters at inception of bet(assuming stakes exceed payouts in most successful businesses)

Making bookmakers contribute the same from the open bet as the tote does from the same situation! (net and gross?)

Which bit didn't you understand??

ManP Wrote:

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> Does anyone know the outcome of the case between
> the bookmakers and Tellytrack that was held on
> Tuesday (18/02/2014).

Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I understand that when Tellytrack announced that the international feed would be cut on Feb 1st, the bookmakers applied for an "urgent" application that the issues had not been agreed. Tellytrack seems to have argued that the process had been going on for months, so why "urgent" now? Given that it was mid Feb, 2 weeks after the cut off day which never happened, I think the judge wondered what all the fuss was about and dismissed. Things proceed next month.

Has anyone seen new decoders?

Hi Dave
Just wanted to mention to you that I am recording the next programme regarding the Tellytrack issues tomorrow, to be broadcast on Sunday night.  As Multichoice’s move has changed everyone’s view of the goalposts, I think this programme will be more about what happens next rather than merits of the current impasse with Bookmakers.  Never a dull moment in the racing world !
I must say that I find it quite exciting that local racing will have exclusivity on a racing channel because it re-opens the potential to provide background, context and storylines which make horseracing a sport and the gambling on it as an intellectual exercise rather than a visual lottery every 10 minutes.   It will be interesting to see if this philosophy, focused on a limited number of local races might drives up betting turnover, or whether the 10 minute model is as crucial as was once held.
In closing I would like to also add that, as much as I must live and die by my views expressed on television, I do believe that so should those individuals who comment, often very valiantly and with great consideration on your forum.  There is something very strong and compelling about a man who will commit his name to his comment, rather than to hide anonymously behind a nom de plume.  Might I suggest this as a new trend for you to consider ?
Best regards
Robin Bruss

Hi Dave
Thank you for posting Robin Bruss`s comments and view points , i agree whole heartedly with them especially with his last paragraph.
Brian

Fair comment Brian but people that follow the forum and readers of "who are you" thread are pretty much up to date with who is who in the zoo, would guess 95% are known and the mystery 5 % sometimes don't last long after a few "unsavory" posts

We have had a few threads on the topic over the years but possibly an option to take us to the next level but we were originally based on the Betfair forum and they have kept it the same, however we do tend to be a bit more community driven in SA with a closer and smaller group of racing people.