Jockeys, Trainers and Owners

Knowing Carl they will no exactly how much is outstanding (

Titch Wrote:

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> > By the way who gave da info n PUNTED GVZ first
> > timer on SUNDAY
> > Guess who ... AD
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> GVZ never had a first timer on Sunday :S


This Sunday at Scotsville

Decided long time ago ,that you get much more enjoyment just watching your horses run

royal president Wrote:

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> This Sunday at Scottsville


All due respect RP to shorten a first timer from 7/2 to 1/1 takes under 3K also as there are NO DOUBT that the horse is going to need further im sure your source has got this one completely wrong, far too often people claim to have heard from various sources when in fact they have never even spoken to the person,Anthony has been accused of the self same thing on numerous occasions, i guess it comes with the territory but believe me if it was him the horse would be a lot shorter and I believe that the price time of race will be closer to 2/1 or bigger...don't believe everything you hear...

(tu)tottenham Wrote:

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> Welcome to the club Royal President. I had the
> same problem as well with a big trainer and some
> other trainers. Today I am dealing with David
> Niewenhuizen and Duncan Howells who are very
> honest when it comes to your information in
> regards with your horses. The horse that I had
> with Duncan Howells was a Judpot and Duncan said
> after five runs the horse did not shape and we got
> rid of her. It was not lets keep on trying and I
> throw good money after bad and also he gives us
> the horse that have chances in the stable that are
> running so we can have a punt and get our money
> back. I also have two fillies with David and it is
> the same thing. They have the passion and it is
> not the money that they need. If You are a Durban
> boy I would recommend Duncan Howells and Guatenger
> David Niewenhuizen any time. Both are great people
> to deal with.

(tu)

nish 77 Wrote:

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> Mate u r lucky at least u got invited to a final
> gallop, I had to look up on formgrids to see if my
> horses were running
> Then I would call the trainer and find out it's
> chances . I learnt something the hard way in this
> game , if u a small owner in a so called big
> stable you are forgotten . It broke me down and I
> SOLD MY SHARES IN MY HORSES, and guess WHAT I GOT
> PEANUTS because one of my horses had a so called
> injury and was going to need surgery only to see
> on formgrids that she was running in the fillies
> guineas on That Saturday, SOMETHING MY TRAINER
> FORGET TO MENTION BEFORE I COULD SELL MY SHARES

PM me Nish is you ever interested with another big stable where you are NOT mere a number.
I will get you sorted. Been involved with the DH stables since the early 2000's. No problem

nish 77 Wrote:

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> Mate u r lucky at least u got invited to a final
> gallop, I had to look up on formgrids to see if my
> horses were running
> Then I would call the trainer and find out it's
> chances . I learnt something the hard way in this
> game , if u a small owner in a so called big
> stable you are forgotten . It broke me down and I
> SOLD MY SHARES IN MY HORSES, and guess WHAT I GOT
> PEANUTS because one of my horses had a so called
> injury and was going to need surgery only to see
> on formgrids that she was running in the fillies
> guineas on That Saturday, SOMETHING MY TRAINER
> FORGET TO MENTION BEFORE I COULD SELL MY SHARES

That's not right Bud

I must say I don't have any issues with my trainers whether I phone them or visit them

The trainers I am involved with (Big and small yards) treat me the same - top notch (tu)

tottenham Wrote:

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> Welcome to the club Royal President. I had the
> same problem as well with a big trainer and some
> other trainers. Today I am dealing with David
> Niewenhuizen and Duncan Howells who are very
> honest when it comes to your information in
> regards with your horses. The horse that I had
> with Duncan Howells was a Judpot and Duncan said
> after five runs the horse did not shape and we got
> rid of her. It was not lets keep on trying and I
> throw good money after bad and also he gives us
> the horse that have chances in the stable that are
> running so we can have a punt and get our money
> back. I also have two fillies with David and it is
> the same thing. They have the passion and it is
> not the money that they need. If You are a Durban
> boy I would recommend Duncan Howells and Guatenger
> David Niewenhuizen any time. Both are great people
> to deal with.

Totally agree - top stable to deal with in KZN and I visit the stables very often and the trainer is always welcoming and takes time to spend with you to discuss the horse etc(tu)

Duncan Howells is tops

There is only one !!

I am rather lucky/blessed in that area. I am with a small yard and can pitch up anytime unannounced to visit my horses. I always know their well-being and am received openly every single time. When they are ready for a good run, I get told well before the horse is even nominated and I discuss with my trainer what he thinks a sensible amount to punt would be. If the prices on my horses do shorten, I am always able to get on first. I may not have the luxury of being with the big boys who churn out winner after winner, but for me, my horses are my pets and it means more to me to be able to visit and learn about them when I want to, as opposed to watching this animal race and having no connection to it at all.

Royal one thing you must bear in mind in SA the markets are weak and esp on first timers - on top of this everyone is entitled to bet as it is a free market so as the owner it is your perogitive to get on if you fancy your horse. Some owners are actually slow out the gates and then they expect the whole world to wait for them to have their 2 grand on. That really is dreamworld mentality cause on a first timer even the grooms 300 rand on a first timer can shorten it and if my granny decides to put a grand on and it shortens are you gonna blame the trainer. They don't control the market they only train the horse. Most of the time it is unrealistic in a free market and causes unnecessary blaming, It is also not rocket science for eg tomorrow Delpech is on GVZ and not riding for de kock ? so would you need to be a professor to work this one out no! what you sould be complaining about is our weak markets in SA open to loads of manipulation and actually quite a joke.