Scottsville Apr 1st

Observer1 Wrote:

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> Would be interesting to know what Randolps riding
> instruction were on Masked Lady.
>
> 7 horse field, and gets himself positioned at the
> back.

Over confident -- @ least Muzi wud have put it in the front and let the horse fade...
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Observer1, no problem at all. Normally it is a front shoe that comes off. 95% of the time. Mostly caused by the hind hoof coming through quicker than the front hoof can get out of the way. Due to a horse easing or it steps in a small divot etc. The hind shoe then hits the back of front shoe and effectively rips it off. The force of the catching of the front shoe is huge and can often pull much of the wall of the hoof off with it as it hits. If caught wrong, no shoe will stay on no matter how tight it is clinched on. When you take a horse to the course it is at the owners risk but all veterinary treatment on course is paid for by the operator. They do work in shoes at track but if they are not racing they will mostly use steel shoes and aluminums in races. I hope that helps.

Taken a flyer - Marcus in the 5th x ramp diva place x winter glory place

Also taken Callan murray to place in the 6th.

nice ride by the young laddie

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> Observer1, no problem at all. Normally it is a
> front shoe that comes off. 95% of the time. Mostly
> caused by the hind hoof coming through quicker
> than the front hoof can get out of the way. Due to
> a horse easing or it steps in a small divot etc.
> The hind shoe then hits the back of front shoe and
> effectively rips it off. The force of the catching
> of the front shoe is huge and can often pull much
> of the wall of the hoof off with it as it hits. If
> caught wrong, no shoe will stay on no matter how
> tight it is clinched on. When you take a horse to
> the course it is at the owners risk but all
> veterinary treatment on course is paid for by the
> operator. They do work in shoes at track but if
> they are not racing they will mostly use steel
> shoes and aluminums in races. I hope that helps.

Thank you, appreciated.

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> Still battling with an abcess in his foot been
> lame for nearly 3 weeks. Mr H I am not going to
> keep down this road with you. Racing is based on
> the horse with the most ability winning the race.
> That is why handicapping was brought in as
> otherwise the horse with the most ability running
> would win the race every time. The handicappers
> handicap the horse as to what they perceive his
> ability is and it does not matter who the jockey
> or trainer is. They have far less influence on the
> result of the race than the horses ability so that
> is the basis of handicapping. If the jockeys or
> trainers had that much influence on the result
> then the weights would be changed after the final
> acceptances taking into account the trainer and
> say who Anton was riding. ( thanks to the 2 calls
> I had to explain that to me. I did not look at it
> from that side!)


Craig ,the difference between making a profit punting is handicapping MORE than just the horse................maybe why showing a profit is so rare............. maybe due to handicapping the horse only.
We know horses have very varying ability.............but not quite as varying as humans!!!.............(

hibernia Wrote:

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> nice ride by the young laddie


Agreed, but also a crap ride by Marcus.

In the previous race, 7 horse field, drawn 2, not on the favorite, rides like a champ, wins on the inside.

Next race, drawn 2 as well, 6 horse field, on the favorite, now switches to the outside, crap ride.

No out of pocket talk, just trying to figure out riding strategy. Totally inconsistent for a top jock, and defies logic.

Observer1 Wrote:

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> hibernia Wrote:
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> > nice ride by the young laddie
>
>
> Agreed, but also a crap ride by Marcus.
>
> In the previous race, 7 horse field, drawn 2, not
> on the favorite, rides like a champ, wins on the
> inside.
>
> Next race, drawn 2 as well, 6 horse field, on the
> favorite, now switches to the outside, crap ride.
>
> No out of pocket talk, just trying to figure out
> riding strategy. Totally inconsistent for a top
> jock, and defies logic.


Marcus gave the Fav every chance,not speedy or fit enough today

Now I can c why u were running away from that horse.

ESTONIA

Rob, I think that taking into account the difference in the horse's ability is far bigger than the difference in the trainers or jockeys ability. If you think about it here at Summerveld, we all use the same tracks, mostly gallop on the grass 5-10 days before a race, work fast mostly on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays depending on when the race is etc(most jockeys don't come on Wednesdays or Fridays and never on a Sunday), only 2 vets practices who basically do the same treatments, 2 main feed companies(Epol and Equifeeds), same pool of grooms etc. This shows that most variants are the same except for the ability of the horse. Yes Anton might do something slightly different in a race or Mike might put an extra gallop on seeing something but without doubt the biggest difference in results is the ability of the animal actually doing the running. Maybe if more punters would take that into account they would make more money. Kevin Shea said it in a winning interview for Charles a few weeks ago that "no wonder Anton wins so many races. You just have to aim them" .Anton is brilliant and I use him where I can (but only on my horses with a chance in the race) as he could just get that little bit extra out of the horse and win the race for me. It only has to be 1% better to make a difference but even he cannot get a moke to win a maiden or a mediocre horse to win a WFA race. As I have said before, Anton words to me were that 97% of qualified jockeys would win on the horses he wins on. What makes him and Mike the champions they are is the other 3% but that cannot make up for a bad horse with little ability.

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> Rob, I think that taking into account the
> difference in the horse's ability is far bigger
> than the difference in the trainers or jockeys
> ability. If you think about it here at Summerveld,
> we all use the same tracks, mostly gallop on the
> grass 5-10 days before a race, work fast mostly on
> Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays
> depending on when the race is etc(most jockeys
> don't come on Wednesdays or Fridays and never on a
> Sunday), only 2 vets practices who basically do
> the same treatments, 2 main feed companies(Epol
> and Equifeeds), same pool of grooms etc. This
> shows that most variants are the same except for
> the ability of the horse. Yes Anton might do
> something slightly different in a race or Mike
> might put an extra gallop on seeing something but
> without doubt the biggest difference in results is
> the ability of the animal actually doing the
> running. Maybe if more punters would take that
> into account they would make more money. Kevin
> Shea said it in a winning interview for Charles a
> few weeks ago that "no wonder Anton wins so many
> races. You just have to aim them" .Anton is
> brilliant and I use him where I can (but only on
> my horses with a chance in the race) as he could
> just get that little bit extra out of the horse
> and win the race for me. It only has to be 1%
> better to make a difference but even he cannot get
> a moke to win a maiden or a mediocre horse to win
> a WFA race. As I have said before, Anton words to
> me were that 97% of qualified jockeys would win on
> the horses he wins on. What makes him and Mike the
> champions they are is the other 3% but that cannot
> make up for a bad horse with little ability.

Craig,you will see I fully accept that horses have different ability.....................what I don't accept is that all human ability is equal!
Look at the stats every year ..........they speak for themselves and tend to be consist
Selecting horses with ability is in itself a skill.........................Brian Cherry did it well with limited budgets!
Insofar as aiming,i'll show you lots of rides of Jocks who can't aim at gaps!
MdK may well talk about "being lucky" ......it's called humility................I don't believe for one moment that he believes his achievements are just luck, cos he's wrong!!!

I am not going to get too involved in this debate as after months nobodies views have changed from the last debate