Enough is Enough

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Re: Re: Enough is Enough

10 years 11 months ago
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No enquiries to sudden improvement on runners

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Re: Re: Enough is Enough

10 years 11 months ago
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RACING GURU Wrote:
> i just dont get it...what r u guys going on about
> big payouts /carryovers/etc....its not as if the
> tote are bookmakers and if you lost the bet they
> take the money .....its goes back to the very
> punters....albeit in different stages.....try tell
> the guy who caught 6% of saturdays p6 for i think
> R800 rands,that non coupling rule is a bad
> idea...i just guess it decides on which side of
> the fence we are....when we catch ,its
> great,...when we lose its a case of sour
> grapes......why the coupling rule was ever
> introduced in the first place is beyond me...i
> backed a horse....not a stable....in fact in the
> old days when i took my p6 and millard had 5 horse
> couplings...i used to put all 5 horses in and add
> 2/3 from the rest of the field if i fancied a
> horse from the stable but not quite confident to
> banker it..the very pools r going right back into
> the industry...especially with fractional
> betting,its a great initiative to grow
> interest...why should a bet like the p6...pay
> R2000.00.....i rather be playing for the R200
> 000..

Cannot agree with you MORE. bro.
That is why we have percentages

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Re: Re: Enough is Enough

10 years 11 months ago
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agra Wrote:
> RACING GURU Wrote:
>
>
> > i just dont get it...what r u guys going on
> about
> > big payouts /carryovers/etc....its not as if
> the
> > tote are bookmakers and if you lost the bet
> they
> > take the money .....its goes back to the very
> > punters....albeit in different stages.....try
> tell
> > the guy who caught 6% of saturdays p6 for i
> think
> > R800 rands,that non coupling rule is a bad
> > idea...i just guess it decides on which side of
> > the fence we are....when we catch ,its
> > great,...when we lose its a case of sour
> > grapes......why the coupling rule was ever
> > introduced in the first place is beyond me...i
> > backed a horse....not a stable....in fact in
> the
> > old days when i took my p6 and millard had 5
> horse
> > couplings...i used to put all 5 horses in and
> add
> > 2/3 from the rest of the field if i fancied a
> > horse from the stable but not quite confident
> to
> > banker it..the very pools r going right back
> into
> > the industry...especially with fractional
> > betting,its a great initiative to grow
> > interest...why should a bet like the p6...pay
> > R2000.00.....i rather be playing for the R200
> > 000..
>
> Cannot agree with you MORE. bro.
> That is why we have percentages

So one guy catches 6% of a pick 6 so it must be all good-even a broken clock is right twice a day!

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Re: Re: Enough is Enough

10 years 11 months ago
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rob faux Wrote:
> agra Wrote:
>
>
> > RACING GURU Wrote:
> >
>
>
> >
> > > i just dont get it...what r u guys going on
> > about
> > > big payouts /carryovers/etc....its not as if
> > the
> > > tote are bookmakers and if you lost the bet
> > they
> > > take the money .....its goes back to the very
> > > punters....albeit in different stages.....try
> > tell
> > > the guy who caught 6% of saturdays p6 for i
> > think
> > > R800 rands,that non coupling rule is a bad
> > > idea...i just guess it decides on which side
> of
> > > the fence we are....when we catch ,its
> > > great,...when we lose its a case of sour
> > > grapes......why the coupling rule was ever
> > > introduced in the first place is beyond
> me...i
> > > backed a horse....not a stable....in fact in
> > the
> > > old days when i took my p6 and millard had 5
> > horse
> > > couplings...i used to put all 5 horses in and
> > add
> > > 2/3 from the rest of the field if i fancied a
> > > horse from the stable but not quite confident
> > to
> > > banker it..the very pools r going right back
> > into
> > > the industry...especially with fractional
> > > betting,its a great initiative to grow
> > > interest...why should a bet like the p6...pay
> > > R2000.00.....i rather be playing for the R200
> > > 000..
> >
> > Cannot agree with you MORE. bro.
> > That is why we have percentages
>
> So one guy catches 6% of a pick 6 so it must be
> all good-even a broken clock is right twice a day!


rob..whats your point...yes sure the bets become harder to catch...but by the comments made..its as if the operaters are keeping the money in their pockets when its a carryover...i cannot believe why we cant embrace the fact,that if we do catch on it could be life changing...and the operators even offer that small man in the street the affordability of taking 1%...and getting a decent dividend...i at my wits end trying to establish whats all the outcry about...the p6 is the premium bet..it should be a premium payout when we catch.....now coming back to the coupling rule...has it stopped punters taking straight win bets on a race when the trainer has 2 or more runners,after the coupling rule was abolished,regarding win bets....so how different is it then to say that the p6 is a bet to pick 6 winners or taking as all to come over 6 designated races.....like i said punters are greedy...(like me).....i take a 5k p6...and i want the whole pool...whereas my stratedy should be catching 1 every week of say 5-10%..and being in front.....the only problem i have is that the carryover pool gets diluted ..instead of going into 1 big pool or better still retaining the carryover from the racing centre that is occurred from...but as far as jumping up and down about complaining about the coupling rule not being in effect...to me anyway...is futile

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Re: Re: Enough is Enough

10 years 11 months ago
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RACING GURU Wrote:
> rob faux Wrote:
>
>
> > agra Wrote:
> >
>
>
> >
> > > RACING GURU Wrote:
> > >
> >
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > > i just dont get it...what r u guys going on
> > > about
> > > > big payouts /carryovers/etc....its not as
> if
> > > the
> > > > tote are bookmakers and if you lost the bet
> > > they
> > > > take the money .....its goes back to the
> very
> > > > punters....albeit in different
> stages.....try
> > > tell
> > > > the guy who caught 6% of saturdays p6 for i
> > > think
> > > > R800 rands,that non coupling rule is a bad
> > > > idea...i just guess it decides on which
> side
> > of
> > > > the fence we are....when we catch ,its
> > > > great,...when we lose its a case of sour
> > > > grapes......why the coupling rule was ever
> > > > introduced in the first place is beyond
> > me...i
> > > > backed a horse....not a stable....in fact
> in
> > > the
> > > > old days when i took my p6 and millard had
> 5
> > > horse
> > > > couplings...i used to put all 5 horses in
> and
> > > add
> > > > 2/3 from the rest of the field if i fancied
> a
> > > > horse from the stable but not quite
> confident
> > > to
> > > > banker it..the very pools r going right
> back
> > > into
> > > > the industry...especially with fractional
> > > > betting,its a great initiative to grow
> > > > interest...why should a bet like the
> p6...pay
> > > > R2000.00.....i rather be playing for the
> R200
> > > > 000..
> > >
> > > Cannot agree with you MORE. bro.
> > > That is why we have percentages
> >
> > So one guy catches 6% of a pick 6 so it must be
> > all good-even a broken clock is right twice a
> day!
>
>
> rob..whats your point...yes sure the bets become
> harder to catch...but by the comments made..its as
> if the operaters are keeping the money in their
> pockets when its a carryover...i cannot believe
> why we cant embrace the fact,that if we do catch
> on it could be life changing...and the operators
> even offer that small man in the street the
> affordability of taking 1%...and getting a decent
> dividend...i at my wits end trying to establish
> whats all the outcry about...the p6 is the premium
> bet..it should be a premium payout when we
> catch.....now coming back to the coupling
> rule...has it stopped punters taking straight win
> bets on a race when the trainer has 2 or more
> runners,after the coupling rule was
> abolished,regarding win bets....so how different
> is it then to say that the p6 is a bet to pick 6
> winners or taking as all to come over 6 designated
> races.....like i said punters are greedy...(like
> me).....i take a 5k p6...and i want the whole
> pool...whereas my stratedy should be catching 1
> every week of say 5-10%..and being in
> front.....the only problem i have is that the
> carryover pool gets diluted ..instead of going
> into 1 big pool or better still retaining the
> carryover from the racing centre that is occurred
> from...but as far as jumping up and down about
> complaining about the coupling rule not being in
> effect...to me anyway...is futile

RG, you will see from my earlier post that I agree thatexotics should be harder,but inflation should have catered for that (an increase of 50c in 50yrs is crazy)
What I disagree with is the ability to manipulate by those with an inside knowledge.
We can't compete with the other growing gambles like Poker ,without trust..........and right now it can't be trusted.
In twenty years time inflationary increases will still achieve the goal...........but we can't take couplings away again!
It will be interesting to see if.over time,so few punters get return from P6 pools,whether they can be maintained.
We have to often consider the big picture rather than what suits us,individually...........my strategy is that,as racing becomes more unpredictable,I take wider bets and use the fractional factor to buy up losing tickets.........but that will only last as long as the smaller punter feels they are getting a fair deal and keeps providing losing tickets.........just my opinion.

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Re: Re: Enough is Enough

10 years 11 months ago
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ROB..if the trust factor is the main issue...then racing as a whole has to be stayed away from....just NOT the p6...because if you think the coupling rule alleviates that issue....then how does it alleviate my issue when i am having a straight bet on the coupled horse..

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Re: Re: Enough is Enough

10 years 11 months ago
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RG,of course its not just the P6
Trust has been identified as a problem,everywhere that racing has tried to revive itself,and it needs to be addressed holisticly ,,and every bit helps.
I have spent 40 years defending racing against the masses who believe its rigged....................but its getting harder and harder.
Corruption is generally a problem in SA ,but nobody suggests that the solution is to stop living...........lets just push for improvement!

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