Taliban Tossers

Dave,

I don't have the will nor energy to argue with you. BUT you and your kind are guilty of plenty indiscretions historically. Of course its now very easy to sit in sunny England saying stuff the past but there is enough blood on English hands to make me at least think that religion is the wrath of this world.

and of course its an disgrace going into a school and murdering children in the name of religion BUT is also sickening going into places of care and raping children for years and years and only getting found out after death.

The west has a bit to learn from the east , they have PLENTY to learn from us though. The mistakes we made over the centuries in the name of religion should be a lesson to them.

I know you don't give a hoot about what i write but it was only a few very short years ago that YOUR ancestors were RAPING Bob's ancestors wife's on their wedding night.

I'm trying very hard to hold my tongue...all I will say is that murders committed by "us" are OK as we have a perverted sense of morality and justification whilst murders committed by "them" are barbaric, etc, etc...treat ALL life with the respect deserved and we will then have the same outrage towards all murders no matter who has committed them...there can and will never be any justification for the murder of anyone...

easy wrote: Dave,

I don't have the will nor energy to argue with you. BUT you and your kind are guilty of plenty indiscretions historically. Of course its now very easy to sit in sunny England saying stuff the past but there is enough blood on English hands to make me at least think that religion is the wrath of this world.

and of course its an disgrace going into a school and murdering children in the name of religion BUT is also sickening going into places of care and raping children for years and years and only getting found out after death.

The west has a bit to learn from the east , they have PLENTY to learn from us though. The mistakes we made over the centuries in the name of religion should be a lesson to them.

I know you don't give a hoot about what i write but it was only a few very short years ago that YOUR ancestors were RAPING Bob's ancestors wife's on their wedding night.

No argument Easy,
And if it irks you so much about the English,especially MY KIND,as if I'm some sort of murderer,Why don't you fuck Off back to South Africa.
By the way it's not sunny and that last quote of yours sums up your intellect.
Go home and pay your debts Uncle Festa.

All I'm going to say is

Poor kids

It's all any of us should ever need to say, there should never be any us or tgem involved

Bob, religion encourages a form of tribalism, the us against them scenario, whether you accept it or not, it's a fact. The problem stems from the interpretation of the sacred writings. All religions are based on myth and are written as a metaphor, it should not be interpreted in a literal sense. Any Holy book interpreted literally makes no sense. Literalism leads to fundamentalism, and fundamentalism leads to violence.

B, I dont agree. Religion is the fundamental foundation (value,norms,rules etc) of any society and its laws . It is people who interpret religion for their own good or bad. Unfortunately bad gets all the media attention (rightly so) but the good gets nothing.
I believe without religion we would be even worse off. Lawlessness would be the order of the day.
Always very sad when children are targets in "grown-ups " wrong doings. RIP

Like my gran always said : Too much of anything is never good !

neigh wrote: B, I dont agree. Religion is the fundamental foundation (value,norms,rules etc) of any society and its laws . It is people who interpret religion for their own good or bad. Unfortunately bad gets all the media attention (rightly so) but the good gets nothing.
I believe without religion we would be even worse off. Lawlessness would be the order of the day.
Always very sad when children are targets in "grow-ups " wrong doings. RIP

Like my gran always said : Too much of anything is never good !

Neigh, I unfortunately disagree that religion is fundamental to moral values. Hypothetically, if tomorrow organised religion confessed Virgin births, dying and rising Gods is in fact a fairy tale, I can assure you, you wouldn't have mass rape, murder or every nation fighting against each other for dominance. Morals are innate in most humans, note I say most, without any religious intervention/teachings. Experience has taught us that we need each other to survive as a species.

bayern wrote:

neigh wrote: B, I dont agree. Religion is the fundamental foundation (value,norms,rules etc) of any society and its laws . It is people who interpret religion for their own good or bad. Unfortunately bad gets all the media attention (rightly so) but the good gets nothing.
I believe without religion we would be even worse off. Lawlessness would be the order of the day.
Always very sad when children are targets in "grow-ups " wrong doings. RIP

Like my gran always said : Too much of anything is never good !

Neigh, I unfortunately disagree that religion is fundamental to moral values. Hypothetically, if tomorrow organised religion confessed Virgin births, dying and rising Gods is in fact a fairy tale, I can assure you, you wouldn't have mass rape, murder or every nation fighting against each other for dominance. Morals are innate in most humans, note I say most, without any religious intervention/teachings. Experience has taught us that we need each other to survive as a species.

In agreement...every one of us has a core humanity that binds as a species irrespective of colour, creed, religion, etc...it is just that our superficial differences get the most coverage that that core humanity is suppressed to the point where it is almost non-existent (never totally destroyed) in some humans...

Respect ALL life and life will be better...no utopia...just better than in the absence of respect for ALL life...

[...one does not have to go very far back in history to see some appalling actions by
catholics
protestants
hindu's
atheists
hebrew's

the list is endless. Had their been internet and sky news 600 years ago we would have seen this already.....]

Where on earth does it say in the Bible that Catholics and Protestants should do what you claim they did many centuries ago?

From my perspective I have always viewed region per se as a crutch for those who need something to believe in to help continue with everyday life rather than a reason to live.

Historically and continuously into today things have been done, wars fought, people killed and maimed and political viewpoints justified all in the name of religion.

But the reality is that these crimes against humanity are not really done by religion. Religion is just an excuse. Strip the religious connotations away and you see these acts and their perpetrators for what they are. Two wrongs and name calling don't justify these acts.

Yesterday was just another instance of man's inhumanity to man and I'm damn sure it won't be the last.

I don't know what the answer is but I know justifying it with religious overtones is shite.

Just my opinion of course.

Mac

to see the issues with catholics and protestants you don't need to go back 600 years......just simply to Ireland or to a Ranger's v Celtic game......

religion is sickening and BAD

Many horrific persecutions have been committed in the name of religion in history, among the earlier sufferers were those who were called Pagans.

Methods of torture and killing were crucifiction, hung drawn and quartered, severing the head by executioner via the sword and the guillotine.

Burning at the stake or " roasting " was another barbaric inhuman method of killing disbelievers.