NEEDED THE RUN?

Have been in the game many years, but have a question?

I have often heard trainers say "it needed the run" "will need a run" "just one run short" etc,

So how do first timers that open at 5/2 and start at 6/10, never need a run?

Lets be fair many horses in training always "need a run", but a first timer has never even seen the racetrack and they "don't need a run" to bring them on!

Grecko please!

first timers that open at 5/2 and start at 16/10 will never need a run because weeks before there first run they have been galloped on the grass numerous times with other horses normally winners to see how they measure up.THEY ARE STRIPPED FIT AND READY TO WIN .when you have ahorse particuly a older horse say thats coming back from an injury you will not put too much pressure on the horse in training gallops so you enter him in arace slightly underdone hence the saying the horse will need a run or two.Nothing sinister about that

Thank you tangles, it was only a question and "nothing sinister" meant.

So the question is why cant a trainer get a horse "STRIPPED FIT AND READY TO WIN", using the same tactics/ formula as a first timer? I understand that older horses coming back from injury is a separate case, but for example a good healthy fit 3 yr old? with established form, why should it need a run,if using the above tactics.

he can and most trainers try to do just that but there are certain horses that can not be rushed at the track. if you give ahorse one run at the races its worth 5gallops at the track. Each horse is different and needs to be treated as such.also things might go wrong when preparing ahorse for a race and he just might not be 100 percent on the day.I hope this makes some sence.Horses are complex creatures

a good healthy fit horse that has been racing reguraly should never need a run. look somewere else for the problem

Thanks again tangles, its not a specific horse, its just a general "excuse" [for want of a better word], that I often hear from trainers or via connections.

My pleasure scotia, yes it is an overused term perhaps when trainers are not sure what the real problem is

What is meant by a horse running an "honest race" or an "honest run can be expected" or words to that effect.

Never for once crossed my mind, that horses could be dishonest

Its an "educational run", to hell with horse having a university degree, I want it to run and win!

Yep, me too

I guess it's a case of commentators putting words into a horses mouth

Have to agree with where Scotia is trying to go with this. How come big horses only run big races and win. But in mentioning that Sean Tarry said that he wished that he had 10 more days with Mythical before the run. I don't really understand a comment like this. You know what the date of the race is surely you prepare for that date. No offence to Tarry but comments made are genrally curious at times.

The question I pose to the forum is, is it fair for the Joe Public punter who is not in the know to back a horse who is having a "prep run". For me this is not fair practice. In my opinion horses should come to the track fit and ready to win.

I suppose this is the genral practice and part of training regimes but this stil does not benefit the public