SM better than BB

On the face of it, she did not beat much, on a line through Anglet, she is a length or two inferior to Budapest - but she really won so impressively easing up (not sure if Budapest was ridden out to the wire?) - so if she runs in the Guineas it should show us if she is really that good, or if the other fillies are just not that great...............I know the stable is not one for rushing horses, but let's say she slams the colts in the Guineas..........what about the Met?

I hope that this filly remains sound because she is something else...I do not care about the ratings of those that ran behind her on Saturday...the manner in which she won was as exceptional as her win from an atrocious draw in her previous run when beating Entisaar really easily. I have not seen the normally cautious Bass stable as excited as with this filly. I am not going to compare her with any past great fillies, like Beach Beauty, Igugu, Ipi Tombi or Ecurie because I think she seems to have the ability to make her own history! Let me just say, that this filly excites me no end, and I am looking forward to seeing her run for the rest of her career.

Bob Brogan wrote: Will she run in the Guineas? what about the $1m race?

The plan is she runs next week and then the $1million,that's all being equal of course.

Always easy to get carried away by a brilliant run against unknowns but the manner of her last 2 runs was impressive. The turn of foot but also the impression that she could keep galloping at that top pace for ages I have only really seen comparable to Horse chestnut...seems unrealistic , but here's hoping .

Her time over the mile 98.52

I'm loathe to use times as comparisons,especially at Kenilworth where the wind is often a very big factor(especially from the jockeys perspective).We also have unseasonal rain sometimes which affects the going (like Ebony Flyer's year when the going was very soft).

Nevertheless I thought I'd look at the times for the Guineas in recent times to just get a feel of how horses might fit in.

IT VERY IMPORTANT TO BEAR IN MIND THAT THE FILLIES AND COLTS BOTH CARRY 58 KGS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE GUINEAS,BUT THAT A FILLY TAKING ON THE COLTS GETS THE 2,5KGS SEX ALLOWANCE.

FILLIES/COLTS GUINEAS IN ORDER ACCORDING TO WINNING TIMES.

1) 2012 Rumya 98.52 1) 2012 Capetown Noir 97.15
2) 2006 Sun Classique 98.70 2) 2010 Solo Traveller 98.74
2) 2002 Perfect Promise 98.70 3) 2013 Elusive Gold 98.89
4) 2015 Silver Mountain 98.72 4) 2014 Act Of War 99.22
5) 2014 Majmu 99.26 5) 2011 Variety Club 99.61
6) 2001 Sports Chestnut 99.40 6) 2009 Noordhoek Flyer 99.62
7) 2005 Bad Girl Runs 99.41 7) 2008 Le Drakkar 99.82
8 ) 2013 In The Fast Lane 99.42
9) 2010 Ebony Flyer 100.21
10) 2011 Princess Victoria 100.23
11) 2004 Shadow Dancing 100.47
12) 2008 Sparkling Gem 100.89
13) 2003 Emerald Beauty 101.61
14) 2009 Field Flower 101.63
15) 2007 Captain's Lover 103.20

EMPRESS CLUB did 96.80 when she won the Colts Guineas,but that was at Milnerton .

Her time for the Queens Plate when she won it as a 4 year old was 97.70.

HORSE CHESTNUT won the Guineas by 7.15L in 97.60

JET MASTER won the Guineas by a sh in 98.40

Huchergh wrote: I'm loath to use times as comparisons,especially at Kenilworth where the wind is often a very big factor(especially from the jockeys perspective).We also have unseasonal rain sometimes which affects the going (like Ebony Flyer's year when the going was very soft).

Nevertheless I thought I'd look at the times for the Guineas in recent times to just get a feel of how horses might fit in.

IT VERY IMPORTANT TO BEAR IN MIND THAT THE FILLIES AND COLTS BOTH CARRY 58 KGS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE GUINEAS,BUT THAT A FILLY TAKING ON THE COLTS GETS THE 2,5KGS SEX ALLOWANCE.

FILLIES/COLTS GUINEAS IN ORDER ACCORDING TO WINNING TIMES.

1) 2012 Rumya 98.52 1) 2012 Capetown Noir 97.15
2) 2006 Sun Classique 98.70 2) 2010 Solo Traveller 98.74
2) 2002 Perfect Promise 98.70 3) 2013 Elusive Gold 98.89
4) 2015 Silver Mountain 98.72 4) 2014 Act Of War 99.22
5) 2014 Majmu 99.26 5) 2011 Variety Club 99.61
6) 2001 Sports Chestnut 99.40 6) 2009 Noordhoek Flyer 99.62
7) 2005 Bad Girl Runs 99.41 7) 2008 Le Drakkar 99.82
8 ) 2013 In The Fast Lane 99.42
9) 2010 Ebony Flyer 100.21
10) 2011 Princess Victoria 100.23
11) 2004 Shadow Dancing 100.47
12) 2008 Sparkling Gem 100.89
13) 2003 Emerald Beauty 101.61
14) 2009 Field Flower 101.63
15) 2007 Captain's Lover 103.20

EMPRESS CLUB did 96.80 when she won the Colts Guineas,but that was at Milnerton .

Her time for the Queens Plate when she won it as a 4 year old was 97.70.

I see at first acceptances all the colts are carrying 60 kg's.....is this correct or something new?.... :huh:

All the fillies carried 60kg's on Saturday as well!!!!

The fillies carried 60 kgs last Saturday too.

It was 58kgs in the past.

That's the problem with what's going on now with the changes in the racing program(IE:WFA races with penailties),it makes comparisons with what happened in the past more difficult.

CAN NOT BE COMPARED TO BEACH BEAUTY!
NIGGA PLEASE!
EVEN IF SHE WINS THE GUINEAS AND THE 1 MILLION $ RACE
I STILL WONT COMPARE TO BEACH BEAUTY!
17 WINS FROM 31 STARTS
THATS A MACHINE!!!!!

Huchergh wrote: The fillies carried 60 kgs last Saturday too.

It was 58kgs in the past.

That's the problem with what's going on now with the changes in the racing program(IE:WFA races with penailties),it makes comparisons with what happened in the past more difficult.

... and course records become more difficult to beat

Interesting read from Sarah Whitelaw about who can lay claim to be the best filly....



Who is best ever filly?

January 7, 2013 By admin 5 Comments


THERE have been numerous debates over the years as to who was the best horse ever bred in South Africa, writes SARAH WHITELAW. However, the question of which was the best filly ever to race in this country has largely been overlooked.

This list compiled consists of fillies and mares largely on their South African record, although Ipi Tombe’s feats both locally and abroad make her a definite inclusion.

KINGS PACT (His Excellency – Magna Carta)

A truly great racemare, Kings Pact had to overcome a really tough campaign as a 2yo – which included a remarkable nine race winning streak. She won the Clairwood Winter Handicap (now Champions Cup) as a 2yo – an all but unheard of achievement. Kings Pact went on to land the Champion Stakes as a 3yo, winning the WFA race by nearly ten lengths in the process, and setting a new race record in the process. She went on to land the Natal Derby – at the remarkable odds of 10-1 ON, but was beaten narrowly in the Cape Derby. Kings Pact also ran fourth in the July – giving the winner nearly two stone!

DIGNITY (Minor Forfeit – Stuck Up)

Not only was Dignity a champion on the racetrack, she is also the dam of champion racehorse and sire Dignitary. She was unbeaten at two in five starts, but was defeated, as the favourite, in the SA Derby. She won a Durban Merchants -and put up a staggering display to win a Merchants carrying 9 stone 12! Her son, Dignitary, was the first SA bred horse to top the general sires list.

OLYMPIC DUEL (Dancing Champ – Mashka)

Despite being injured in a float accident, Olympic Duel recovered to establish herself as a true champion. She beat the colts in some of the biggest races, winning the J&B Met, Champion Stakes and Mainstay International. In the latter race, Olympic Duel had to tote top-weight, and still managed to defeat Met winner Divine Master. In total, Olympic Duel won no fewer than seven G1 races, and was twice placed in the Durban July. She went onto become a successful broodmare. Her descendants include recent G3 Champagne Stakes winner, Northern Heritage.



Ipi Tombe, one of the greatest!

IPI TOMBE (Manshood – Carnet de Danse)

The Zimbabwean bred overcame an ordinary pedigree to become a champion both locally and internationally. During her career, Ipi Tombe made 14 starts, and won 12 of them. She was unbeaten in her overseas campaign, winning feature races in both USA and Dubai – where her wins included a facile triumph in the Dubai Duty Free (where she thrashed subsequent Duty Free dead heater, Paolini). Ipi Tombe won South Africa’s most famous race, the Durban July, as a 3yo, and won four of her five starts in South Africa. Unfortunately, she is yet to replicate her success on the track at stud, despite being sent to some of the world’s top sires.

EMPRESS CLUB (Farnesio –Elysee)

The Argentinian bred was a true superstar, and one of the best fillies ever to set foot on a South African racetrack. Nicknamed the “Galloping Goldmine”, Empress Club was unbeaten at two, where her wins including easy scores in the Smirnoff Plate and SA Nursery. At three she was named Horse of the Year, and beat colts in the Cape Guineas, SA Guineas and Administrator’s Classic. Remarkably, she then downed older males when landing the rich Administrator’s Cup. At four, Empress Club won both the Met and Queen’s Plate, beating champion Flaming Rock on both occasions.

A half-sister to champion Ecurie, Empress Club was later exported to the US, where she won the G3 Hillsborough Handicap. Retired to stud, Empress Club produced the minor stakes winners Azouz Pasha and Empress Pegasus. She died suddenly in 2004.

RENOUNCE (Arctic Flower – Cleanse)

One of the best fillies in a vintage era of great horses, Renounce had the misfortune of competing against the likes of Sea Cottage, William Penn and Java Head. Nontheless, this great filly managed to win both the Cape Guineas, Paddock Stakes and Met. She also landed the spoils in the Garden Province Stakes by a whopping seven lengths. Raced from two to five, the daughter of Arctic Flower won ten times, and competed against some of the greats of the sport.

Unfortunately, Renounce proved disappointing at stud, producing just a single winner.

IGUGU (Galileo – Zarinia)

One of just a handful of horses to win both the July and Met, Igugu did all that was asked of her during her South African campaign. The daughter of Galileo looked special right from the start, and was sold for R1 million at the 2009 Emperors Palace Ready to Run Sale. Recently exported to Dubai, Igugu won ten of her 12 starts in South Africa – and looked slightly unlucky in her only two defeats. She is the first filly ever to win the Fillies Triple Tiara, and her six length romp in the G2 SA Oaks (over the very talented staying filly Princess of Light) was majestic. In her only two starts against older, open competition, Igugu proved triumphant – despite a poor prep for the 2012 J&B Met. She is expected to add to her trainer’s superb record in Dubai.

So which was the greatest? While I have a soft spot for the mighty Olympic Duel, with her courage and class, personally I would side with the likes of King’s Pact who accomplished tremendous feats, and overcame considerable handicaps to do so. - sportingpost.co.za



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Gregory says:

January 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm


The great Jean Heming is on record saying that Roland’s Song is the best horse she has ever trained. No small achievement by any stretch of the imagination. Voted champion 2yo filly, champion 3yo filly and horse of the year the same year, then champion older mare as a 4yo and again as a 5yo. South Africa’s highest stakes earner in her day, she trounced the males on numerous occasions having won 14 times, with 6 of those wins at the highest level. She may not be the greatest, but surely she deserves her place amongst the elite. She unfortunately died without any offspring to continue her legacy.

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Patricia says:

January 8, 2013 at 1:46 am


Absolutely no doubt about this one: Empress Club destroys her opposition here as she always did on the track itself.
While we’ve had the pleasure of seeing many a great filly grace our turf, I still have yet to witness one who could measure up to the incredible Galloping Goldmine. Such a pity she never reproduced that greatness at stud…

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Hylton Perumal says:

January 8, 2013 at 9:08 pm


It is difficult to single out one horse as the greatest, but my personal favourite is Empress Club, closely followed by Ipi Tombi. Empress Club is the only horse that I know of, that when she ran, bookies were forced to offer betting for second place, because she was so good that nobody in their right mind would bet against her. She used to win by very big margins, without being extended. She could come from off the pace and win by 8 lengths, set the pace and win by 8 lengths or race handy and still win by 8. Most of her wins were either in course or race record times or close to record times. To win 15 of her first 17 starts at the highst level, by steeple chase margins, in SA, and to run 2nd to one of the world’s all time great fillies, Borrsha Sham in a group race England when she was well past her prime, is a phenominal record. One of very few fillies to run in the Daily News losing only by 0,25 lenghts after suffering interferance in the finish. The article above says that she was unbeaten at 2 but I’m not so sure that could be true, if I do remember correctly she was beaten by Got The Giggles, who was ridden by an apprentice Anton Marcus, at Scottsville and I’m almost certain that was a juvenile race.

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Mdk Admin says:

January 8, 2013 at 9:58 pm


Empress Club was in fact unbeaten at two. She suffered her first defeat at three, finishing three quarters of a length behind Melting in the 1991 First National Sprint at Turffontein. She was beaten four more times in South Africa.

Empress Club never raced in England. She was exported to the US where she won a Gr 3 race.

The Bosra Sham reference should pertain to London News, who was beaten eight lengths into third by the champion filly in the 1997 Prince Of Wales’Stakes at Royal Ascot.

Thanks for comments, keep them coming.

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Mdk Admin says:

January 8, 2013 at 10:02 pm


All the comments above carry merit, consider however the achievements of Igugu – it’s hard to think of another filly who completed the Durban July /J&B Met double- against the best males around, a phenomenal achievment whatever your views are about the quality she raced against. And we hope she ain’t done yet.

Forget about who ran behind her...something has to run 2nd or 3rd and it really is irrelevant who finished in those places! She could have won by 10 or more lengths if she wanted! This is a MACHINE!! This is not just the best 3 y/o filly in the country, this is the best 3 y/o overall in the country, period! She has all the qualities of a superstar! She IS already a SUPERSTAR! So do not worry about times and who ran behind her ladies and gents...she is a freak and the new kid on the block!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: