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Xenophobia - Grooms
17 years 2 weeks ago
Heard that many grooms are wobbling - fear xenophobic attacks(many from Zim and moz) anyone else heard anything?Reminds me of a chap called Hitler and his crew
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17 years 2 weeks ago
Heard nothing specific to grooms or any racing employees r. H but the whole situation is catastophic.
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17 years 2 weeks ago
Our presidents policy of quiet diplomacy (akin to the RA's policy with Phumelela) has failed dismally, and once again the innocents are the victims.
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17 years 2 weeks ago
I watched SKY news this morning, Burma, China and SA.
Burma and China natural disasters, South Africa self inflicted, it all stems from Mbeki "doing nothing" on Zim.
Burma and China natural disasters, South Africa self inflicted, it all stems from Mbeki "doing nothing" on Zim.
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17 years 2 weeks ago
This is from the Times in London, under the heading "THE SHAME OF THABO MBEKI"
According to the principle of ubuntu, strangers are always welcome in the new Republic of South Africa. Nelson Mandela explicitly espoused the idea, but his country's civic leaders are now wondering what happened to it. Small wonder. The upsurge of xenophobic violence in and around Johannesburg in the past week has paralysed commercial districts, driven thousands of immigrant workers from their shacks and claimed at least 22 lives, among them that of a homeless man burned alive in his blankets.
Harrowing images of the (still unidentified) burning man recall the nadir of the apartheid era, when black-on-black violence terrorised the townships and suspected collaborators were set alight with petrol-filled tyres. A return to such brutality is shocking by any standards. Yet it is also remarkable that South Africa's truce with its great influx of foreigners has lasted so long. The country has managed to absorb up to five million economic migrants even as President Mbeki's administration has left 40 per cent of South Africans worse off than they were under apartheid. Crime is endemic, with 50 murders a day in Johannesburg alone. Education, for most, remains rudimentary at best. Mr Mbeki has personally deepened the human and economic toll of the Aids pandemic by refusing to acknowledge its extent or talk frankly about its causes, and he has stubbornly refused to face reality in Zimbabwe.
By failing to condemn Robert Mugabe's murderous dictatorship, Mr Mbeki has done more than any other outsider to keep him in power. He has also perpetuated the flood of Zimbabwean refugees who now comprise three fifths of South Africa's foreigners. They seek shelter and livelihoods in an economy burdened further by systemic corruption and sharply rising food prices. The results include lynchings and looting that have left one Johannesburg district looking “like a war zone”. For Mr Mbeki to announce the creation of panel to study the causes of the lawlessness, as he has, is fiddling while Rome burns.
In the twilight of his power, Mr Mbeki has shown himself almost as detached from reality as Mr Mugabe. He can claim some credit for presiding over robust economic growth of about 5 per cent per year. Yet he has failed spectacularly to channel its proceeds to the townships where xenophobia now threatens to take root. Even the state-backed low-cost housing programmes that have helped to lift a lucky minority out of poverty now appear part of the problem, not the solution: attacks on foreigners accused of gaining access to new homes at the expense of native South Africans may have triggered the current violence.
Immigrants from as far away as Somalia are now vulnerable, but it is Zimbabwe's crisis that has turned simmering resentment into rioting. Zimbabwe should be booming thanks to soaring world cereal and commodity prices. Instead, it is acting as a brake on the entire regional economy and flooding South Africa with workers willing to accept a fraction of average local wages. Mr Mbeki could still reverse much of the damage by abandoning Mr Mugabe, insisting on full international access to polling stations for Zimbabwe's second-round presidential vote and ending his puerile sabotage of British efforts to isolate Mr Mugabe at the UN. His record inspires little confidence, but at least the effects of his complacency are now in plain view on his own streets.
According to the principle of ubuntu, strangers are always welcome in the new Republic of South Africa. Nelson Mandela explicitly espoused the idea, but his country's civic leaders are now wondering what happened to it. Small wonder. The upsurge of xenophobic violence in and around Johannesburg in the past week has paralysed commercial districts, driven thousands of immigrant workers from their shacks and claimed at least 22 lives, among them that of a homeless man burned alive in his blankets.
Harrowing images of the (still unidentified) burning man recall the nadir of the apartheid era, when black-on-black violence terrorised the townships and suspected collaborators were set alight with petrol-filled tyres. A return to such brutality is shocking by any standards. Yet it is also remarkable that South Africa's truce with its great influx of foreigners has lasted so long. The country has managed to absorb up to five million economic migrants even as President Mbeki's administration has left 40 per cent of South Africans worse off than they were under apartheid. Crime is endemic, with 50 murders a day in Johannesburg alone. Education, for most, remains rudimentary at best. Mr Mbeki has personally deepened the human and economic toll of the Aids pandemic by refusing to acknowledge its extent or talk frankly about its causes, and he has stubbornly refused to face reality in Zimbabwe.
By failing to condemn Robert Mugabe's murderous dictatorship, Mr Mbeki has done more than any other outsider to keep him in power. He has also perpetuated the flood of Zimbabwean refugees who now comprise three fifths of South Africa's foreigners. They seek shelter and livelihoods in an economy burdened further by systemic corruption and sharply rising food prices. The results include lynchings and looting that have left one Johannesburg district looking “like a war zone”. For Mr Mbeki to announce the creation of panel to study the causes of the lawlessness, as he has, is fiddling while Rome burns.
In the twilight of his power, Mr Mbeki has shown himself almost as detached from reality as Mr Mugabe. He can claim some credit for presiding over robust economic growth of about 5 per cent per year. Yet he has failed spectacularly to channel its proceeds to the townships where xenophobia now threatens to take root. Even the state-backed low-cost housing programmes that have helped to lift a lucky minority out of poverty now appear part of the problem, not the solution: attacks on foreigners accused of gaining access to new homes at the expense of native South Africans may have triggered the current violence.
Immigrants from as far away as Somalia are now vulnerable, but it is Zimbabwe's crisis that has turned simmering resentment into rioting. Zimbabwe should be booming thanks to soaring world cereal and commodity prices. Instead, it is acting as a brake on the entire regional economy and flooding South Africa with workers willing to accept a fraction of average local wages. Mr Mbeki could still reverse much of the damage by abandoning Mr Mugabe, insisting on full international access to polling stations for Zimbabwe's second-round presidential vote and ending his puerile sabotage of British efforts to isolate Mr Mugabe at the UN. His record inspires little confidence, but at least the effects of his complacency are now in plain view on his own streets.
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Re: Re: Xenophobia - Grooms
17 years 2 weeks ago
Anyone else noticed that Gauteng Premier Shilowa has nothing to say about what is rapidly becoming a national disaster.
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Re: Re: Xenophobia - Grooms
17 years 2 weeks ago
They are all a bunch of wankers in my eyes. Why should they give a shit. They live nice lives , cuddled up in their mansions with top security systems and security guards , eat nice food , travel the world , earn top monies and still steal from the hard working men and women who pays their taxes on time. Politicians are all the same , ALL TALK AND NO ACTION. Do you blame the township folk for chasing out the foreigners . NO !!! Violence I condemn , but why should the Zimbabweans , Nigerians etc come and take all their jobs . The Nigerians come with the scams , taking our children getting them hooked on drugs then pimping them . We will soon have a city dedicated just to foreigners , will be a ghetto city and then they will start taking over all the suburbs . As it is Hillbrow belongs to them .
Thabo is shit scared of Mugabe. They are all none the better then our previous Apartheid goverment .
Thabo is shit scared of Mugabe. They are all none the better then our previous Apartheid goverment .
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17 years 2 weeks ago
Don't want to get political but driving into JHB CBD yesterday was shocked to see the number of shops closed - these are shops filled by"foreigners" that would otherwise have left JHB empty - i've been there for twelve years and if it were not for these people the CBD would have closed down - they have shops ranging from Spaza'a to auto repair and computers - I know Nigerians have a bad name but after having problems with my Laptop and taking it to three different local PC experts(all told me to reformat and lose my data) a nigerian fixed it for half the price. I know of one trainer that has a Moz head groom that has been with him for seven years - should we just kick these people out - Do you remember the race riots against Indians in Kenya a few years ago EL? Do you think that was fair? After all we are just visiting earth - look at the poor people in Burma and China - very cruel to just chase people out unless it can be proven they are crims then put them on the first train
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17 years 2 weeks ago
Their are the good Mr H and then their are the bad .
I have about 10 clients who are foreigners . Drs that are very decent and intelligent, been in the country for a while and doing well for themselves.
My question is why is their no control over foreigners getting into our country ?
Australia has strict requirements . South Africa has zero requirements. We already have a high unemployment rate and high poverty level .
The Nigerian that fixed your laptop is a skilled individual to do so . Whats the stats , yeah thats right NO STATS !!!
No statistics mean zero control.
I have about 10 clients who are foreigners . Drs that are very decent and intelligent, been in the country for a while and doing well for themselves.
My question is why is their no control over foreigners getting into our country ?
Australia has strict requirements . South Africa has zero requirements. We already have a high unemployment rate and high poverty level .
The Nigerian that fixed your laptop is a skilled individual to do so . Whats the stats , yeah thats right NO STATS !!!
No statistics mean zero control.
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17 years 2 weeks ago
Things very tense in Knysna, people seeking refuge in a community hall after shops looted yesterday by all accounts and press reports this morning.
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17 years 2 weeks ago
Xenophobia means afraid of strangers.
Who came up with this word?
It should be.... illegal immigrants.
Illegal means the law controlled them. (police Service)
Now the question what police service. A traffic cop Robert Mcbribe (Murderer) walks into the townships and take over the scene. Police stands back is he going to hand out tickets for illegal parking or what.
Illegal immigrants gets low cost houses because they bribe the officials working with it.
I know people who own more than one low cost house in every province in RSA. In other words he owns 46 low cost houses and rent it out monthly. He got it for free in the first place.
Forged Id's are a huge problem they buy it direct from the corrupt officials who are in charge off issuing the documents.
Third force involved again. Blame Blame wait Apartheid will get it also.
Young Democracy.
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Who came up with this word?
It should be.... illegal immigrants.
Illegal means the law controlled them. (police Service)
Now the question what police service. A traffic cop Robert Mcbribe (Murderer) walks into the townships and take over the scene. Police stands back is he going to hand out tickets for illegal parking or what.
Illegal immigrants gets low cost houses because they bribe the officials working with it.
I know people who own more than one low cost house in every province in RSA. In other words he owns 46 low cost houses and rent it out monthly. He got it for free in the first place.
Forged Id's are a huge problem they buy it direct from the corrupt officials who are in charge off issuing the documents.
Third force involved again. Blame Blame wait Apartheid will get it also.
Young Democracy.
Let me rather stop.
Sorry
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Re: Re: Xenophobia - Grooms
17 years 2 weeks ago
Are the grooms legally allowed to work here is so many unemployed SA people could fill the jobs.
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